Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

**Aramina** · 06-01-2017 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by AlexanderThorolund

Don't understand the end of the world comments on this development build. Everything is subject to change.

I should have worded my comment better

I know plenty of dungeon-runners that are also unhappy with the changes... I guess a better way to have said it would be "I haven't seen anyone who raids praise the change and the only one's I have seen praise the change are non-raiders." Sorry if my comment seemed to imply that dungeon runners were all thrilled with the changes because I do *not* think that at all.

**Reiryuu** · 06-01-2017 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by AlexanderThorolund

Don't understand the end of the world comments on this development build. Everything is subject to change.

Number tweaks, it is highly unlikely any new abilities or major reworks to the current systems will have time to change in time for SB and it's unlikely SE will make such changes until the next major expansions.

**Maero** · 06-01-2017 09:13 PM

And when Stormblood ACTUALLY is here people may see that whm may be fine.
Not saying it will but rather pre-mature to be bitching (as always) about something not even here yet.
Looking at something on paper and actually trying it out is different you know...
They still have time to make changes, just look at how bad in shape Monk (seems)

**Belhi** · 06-01-2017 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by Maero

And when Stormblood ACTUALLY is here people may see that whm may be fine.
Not saying it will but rather pre-mature to be bitching (as always) about something not even here yet.
Looking at something on paper and actually trying it out is different you know...
They still have time to make changes, just look at how bad in shape Monk (seems)

The issue is it isn't just a problem with numbers but design philosophy. The structure of WHM mechanics is effectively designed encourage WHM's to over heal or heal inefficiently to use. This, combined with sparse utility set, leaves WHM as a healing cannon with nothing sufficient to justify its power and balanced against other classes that have very strong healing in their own right as well as multiple utility options. Its like using an artillery piece to try and kill rabbits. Wrong tool for the job. Tweaking some numbers won't fix this. At the very least it would require them to adjust the core abilities themselves.

Unless they can resolve the disconnect between their Job design and their gameplay design WHM, and healers in general, will have balance issues.

**Reinha** · 06-01-2017 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by Maero

And when Stormblood ACTUALLY is here people may see that whm may be fine.

Yes, everyone please look forward to June 16th.

**Maero** · 06-01-2017 09:38 PM

That may very well be true, but it still comes down to the point that Stormblood is still not here yet, none have a level 70 whm nor have tried all of it's abilities, etc..
Not trying to take away from your point though, as you do make sense

**Aramina** · 06-01-2017 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by Maero

That may very well be true, but it still comes down to the point that Stormblood is still not here yet, none have a level 70 whm nor have tried all of it's abilities, etc..
Not trying to take away from your point though, as you do make sense

The thing is, people are basing this off people that *HAVE* played with all the abilities at level 70.. the complaints/fears aren't coming straight out of the blue. That's not to say things can't/won't change (though I doubt how much would be possible 2 weeks before EA), but saying "no one has tried the abilities yet!" isn't quite true.

**Nicodemus_Mercy** · 06-01-2017 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by Maero

That may very well be true, but it still comes down to the point that Stormblood is still not here yet, none have a level 70 whm nor have tried all of it's abilities, etc..
Not trying to take away from your point though, as you do make sense

Many of the reviewers who attended the media tour and actually played with level 70 characters (and made vids you can watch right now), have given indepth analysis of the new skills, changes, and their opinions on each job. I am hard pressed to find a single one of them that has glowing praise for the 4.0 WHM. The consensus seems to be "meh".

It's clear to see to anyone paying attention that whm will be able to perform its role (healing) just as well as it ever has. But then healing has never been a problem for WHM. Its providing any other way to help their party that's been lacking, been asked for, and summarily denied.

The issues in 4.0 are mostly these (at least for me):

WHM lost the most class/job specific skills to shared role and outright removal of all the healers.

One of the new skills (Divine Benison) is just giving us back something we had taken away (Stoneskin) but with a cooldown

The new level 70 skill (Plenary Indulgence) is just more healing that WHM doesn't need and the way it works makes it kinda suck.

And the real biggie of the bunch, WHM didn't get the one thing it needs and the one thing players have been asking for so it can compete with the other healers: a party-wide buff that improves the group's dps in some way.

SCH will improve their entire group's crit vs a boss by 20% periodically

AST will improve their entire group's damage by 20% periodically

WHM will... spam cure trying to stack Confession so its level 70 skill can actually heal something? Yea, you'd have to be blind to not see the disparity... which I suppose makes your choice in headslot glamour quite fitting.

**OmegaFlare** · 06-01-2017 09:54 PM

I just came back from a 2-year hiatus as a WHM main hoping to enjoy SB to the fullest. This does put a dent in my plan for sure. I don't know if I can wait a few months for them to fix WHM though.

**Ayer2015** · 06-02-2017 08:44 AM

How about 3 lilies and you can use Holyaga.... 40yalm PBAOE w/ 680 potency
One can dream....

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