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  1. #841
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    Khaidal's Avatar
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    Khaidal Gesin
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    Sargatanas
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    Pugilist Lv 60
    I like what someone on Reddit said. AST got insane damage and a high potency, MP free heal. SCH got a crit buff. WHM got flowers for their grave.
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  2. #842
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    Aryn Tatsuuchi
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    Samurai Lv 90
    Hmmm....

    I am out of the loop atm.
    But what I'm reading here sounds concerning.

    I prefer AST's aesthetics anyway...
    But, I'd rather everything be as balanced as possible.



    Going to have to look into the changes myself.
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  3. #843
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    Exiled_Tonberry's Avatar
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    Sharl Llyntine
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    Jenova
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    White Mage Lv 100
    You know what I really like? Out of all of this? That SE considers a pure healer someone that spams Cure for it's benefits.

    We speculated on so much things that could have benefited WHM even without utility, and all this time SE was simply planning to make us spam Cure spells like idiots for even more heals, or for a Stoneskin that's actually not even stronger than our original Stoneskin in 2.0.

    It's really just sad. All around it's sad. What really drives everything home is that AST heals more than them in diuarnal. How is this even a thing? Why is that happening? It doesn't make any sense at all honestly. It feels like WHM was the last job they got to and everyone was tired so they just gave them anything.
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  4. #844
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    Reiryuu's Avatar
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    Imbri Undinare
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by TaranTatsuuchi View Post
    Hmmm....

    I am out of the loop atm.
    But what I'm reading here sounds concerning.

    I prefer AST's aesthetics anyway...
    But, I'd rather everything be as balanced as possible.



    Going to have to look into the changes myself.
    Here's a link:

    https://gamerescape.com/2017/05/30/f...lysis-healers/
    (1)

  5. #845
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    Exiled_Tonberry's Avatar
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    Sharl Llyntine
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    Jenova
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperia View Post
    The whole RNG on heals is bad mojo when the others don't have any RNG on their heals. You don't bet the raid's life on RNG.
    Hey I just thought of something. WHM is supposed to be the pure healer right? Yet their main new healing spells are designed around RNG. Healing on WHM is actually LESS direct than healing in AST, the job that's supposed to be supported focused....This is insane.
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  6. #846
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    Transient_Shadow's Avatar
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    Flutter Butter
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    Malboro
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Not sure if Skyrior is serious this time but to be honest we won't truly be able to measure this kind of thing until the 16th
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  7. #847
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    Hyperia's Avatar
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    Aileen Pureheart
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    Sargatanas
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    Please tell me its really May the 30th and the Embargo has not been yet lifted... please tell me this is all just a bad dream and were going to wake up....

    please...
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  8. #848
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    Nicodemus Mercy
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    Midgardsormr
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperia View Post
    I believe its safe to say that nobody, regardless of language or play style, is or can defend these changes. With that said, they have 14 days to fix this and as much as I would like to think that they can, we are looking at a Warrior 2.0 situation again. its going to require multiple patches to fix this and by my estimates, the better portion of a year. Seeing WHMs running around in the level 70 zones is going to be as rare as seeing a Unicorn. I'll give WHM a try but I am not optimistic, not at all.

    I know they wanted to fix the whole which healer is better meta thing but wow, I had no idea that they were going to essentially remove a healer from raiding outright and force AST / SCH. If things don't change, I guarantee you that when you look at a PF group, you will see that WHM is excluded from any invites.

    Must skip Soar and WHM.
    While its possible that changes were made since the footage was taken (its been sat on for a bit), I would not expect any changes beyond number/potency adjustments to happen before launch. Typically when game devs settle on an iteration of something, they aren't keen on making changes based on outcry before players have actually played with the changes. And even in cases of a public test server where players actually can test upcoming changes, game devs still very often roll them out anyway regardless of the feedback given. This isn't done maliciously or as a flagrant disregard for feedback but rather they prefer to see how their iteration plays in a live environment with a much bigger sample size. Once they see how their iteration is actually playing out, they determine if previous concerns mentioned in feedback warrant a closer look and possible adjustment.

    I would not hold my breath on any adjustments till 4.1, or if things turn out really bad maybe sooner. I don't think WHM will hurt bad enough early on for the devs to make changes prior to 4.1 however. It's when people are at max level doing max level content, and especially static raiding, where the devs will get the metrics that show players moving away from actually playing WHM in that content. If the devs see a sizeable migration of healers away from WHM to AST/SCH, they will ask why (even though we've been telling them all through the HW meta), and look to make changes.
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    Last edited by Nicodemus_Mercy; 06-01-2017 at 09:51 AM.

  9. #849
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    Derio Uzumaki
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Is WHM screwed again, did DRK become the next PLD, find out on the next episode of Dragon ball z
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  10. #850
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    Nefario Call
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    Cactuar
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    Alchemist Lv 80
    (4)
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    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/145190-Dungeons-Opening-Up-To-Explore
    Make it happen.

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