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  1. #1
    Player
    Feidam's Avatar
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    Aenn Do'chas
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    Coeurl
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    Summoner Lv 90
    The lily stacks could work just fine if you could then use them to proc some utility based abilities. This way there is build up there. Instead it's just cooldown reduction which is ok, but not giving the whm's the utility they want. Proc seems a bit low though.
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    Ixara Thorne
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    Balmung
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    Scholar Lv 60
    WHM is and will be great for dungeons and is and will be capable of doing any content in the game.

    It won't excel in raiding. Any personal DPS it can do is outweighed by Balance/Chain Strategem, and they won't make a fight that can't be healed by any combination of healers. Its healing power will likely remain irrelevant. Especially when SCH healing was barely touched (50 potency reduction to Embrace is the only nerf I have seen), and AST healing potencies were buffed again, in addition to Minor Arcana and Earthen whatever. Coupled with the party utility of sch and ast, why bring a WHM to raid unless you're a contrarian or there's a trash fight like A2S or T4. And I'd rather there wasn't a trash fight even though I wanted to raid as WHM.

    As other have stated, the Lily system is just baffling. It's awful. I have been raiding as scholar since Gordias and was hoping to switch. As things are now, I'll still do expert and 24 mans on WHM. That's it, though.
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    Spark Joy
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    Faerie
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    Astrologian Lv 80
    PvP Wise these buffs are fantastic since the PvE environment thrives off regens, but a high abundance of Cure 2 spam which the lily system and Plenary Indulgence is pretty fantastic (I guess the shield is too, since it's now free).

    PvE wise... completely horrible with the current raid design in terms of both damage output and frequency starting from T1 through A12S in exception to maybe AS4 and perhaps A8S. The frequency and output of damage doesn't favour this volume of healing as most of it is either overheal (which also translates into loss of MP and GCDs) or simply unnecessary. If there is content in Stormblood that requires this, then with the current standing of what Stormblood's preliminary kit, raid damage is centralized on single-targets with few situations which require Cure 3s, which Astrologian's can now deal with their 900 potency heal when timed properly.

    Plenary Indulgence will be useful though is lucky concession procs thus enabling faster in-between GCD heals, which may potentially be more mana efficient in the event regen or cure 2 overheals by a lot, whereas cure is close but fall shorts a few points. Super awesome for tank healing too, but at the same time

    Divine Benison is sweet at instant speed, and since it costs no MP, Scholar and White Mage (I think) may potentially be the best burst shielder for single targets since they should stack because logically, if it didn't, this skill drops in value. There's no duration listed though, so I'm hoping it lasts either 30 seconds or a minute, because it lasting long enough to apply 8 Divine Benisons for fights that have an AoE right at the start (think A10S) will favour this.

    Secret of the Lily is also very lackluster and does not work with the player's developed metagame that is obviously and mathematically more efficient that the developer's intended style of healing. The current meta is to convert as many healing GCDs into offensive GCDs (Stones, Broils, Malefics, etc); however, the Lily system in a completely opposite direction: converting DPS GCDs into Healing GCDs to lower oGCD cast times... Not really good, especially it's unreliable.

    Cleric Stance, Assize, Aero 1 + Aero 2 Consolidation
    Not many people mention this, but WHM will now need Smokescreen in their openers. Assize now healing for its full amount and doing damage will generate a ridiculous amount of enmity. With Aero 1 and Aero 2 Consolidated into one, we're now earlier in 1 GCD to Assize, which puts us at the 3rd GCD... I'm not sure how much aggro tanks can generate by the third GCD, but keep in mind that currently my Assize heals for 4k (non-crit), and with 8 targets (excluding pets and turrets--which btw adds more to enmity), that's around 32K enmity through the heal.

    While we can Lucid Dreaming (shroud) earlier because we do have Light Air, that's 5 to 6 GCDs without PoM or 4 Holies/Medica 2. Saves a lot of MP, but burning Lucid cuts into mana reserves.

    As for "you're healing a different way than the developers intended." Intention of developers doesn't matter until what they intend meets what is needed in their raid content. Class development and raid go hand and hand, and at the moment the mathematical and most logical play for any of the healers is to convert as many healing GCDs into DPS without going into the red in mana reserves AND neglecting healing and keeping the party alive.

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    Side Note: Balance hasn't been nerfed. Both Astros and Scholars lost some damage, but their utility is so much more appealing right now than the raw (currently--emphasis on the word currently, like referring to heavenward content and prior) than White Mages. Also lol at 15% healing on Diurnal Sect (heard from someone, correct if wrong). And really sad they gave Scholar a conditional based heal buff, but maybe they needed it.... >_> <_<

    End Note: Things are still subject to be changed. I'm a little disappointed in the development team, but I'll hold my thoughts here because the things "released" are potentially not final.

    EDIT Note: Just forgot to mention this. White Mage has always been known for the raw healing output they provided, but be open minded. Look where Summoner went. Regardless of it being good or bad, change finds better paths to tread, which is very important when finding new solutions
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    Last edited by Parawill; 06-01-2017 at 11:19 PM.

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    Sunako Kirishiki
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    Phoenix
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    That lily system would be fine if it would proc from something else than cure. Free extra instant heals while doing dps would be nice. Just make it proc from stone as well.
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    Jhonny Primero
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    Ragnarok
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    White Mage Lv 80
    OMG! WHM 4.0 is the worts ever healer.. simple HEALING + RNG = STUPID THING!

    No new mechanics of WHM can take in consideration to Raid Healing!..

    And that useful things is gone... to X-Skill Role... so we may have choice between all our old skill ( A WHM without Esuna/Protect -> stupid)... Rescue a the worst skill nobody will take it!
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    Final Fantasy XIV ARR & Heavensward
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    [Jhonny Primero - Zodiark] [Moon FC]
    << WHM i193 >><< SCH i190 >>

    Primals 10/10
    Coils of Bahamut 13/13 (ARR)
    Alexander 4/4

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    Ophelia Kirschen
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    Phantom
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    White Mage Lv 90
    We can only hope Square will fix this before launch, otherwise White Mage will be abandoned by the player base, and I don't want to see that.
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    Last Dream
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    Gilgamesh
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    Ninja Lv 70
    i use Cure1/2 all the time...... in Level 30-50 dungeons... Maybe that's where that want us to shine, old content!
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    Viola Crossfire
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    Odin
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    White Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastDream View Post
    i use Cure1/2 all the time...... in Level 30-50 dungeons... Maybe that's where that want us to shine, old content!
    You don't get the lilies till 62 so your dream is dead
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    Atlantasia Azoria
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    Coeurl
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    White Mage Lv 80
    I've mained WHM since 2.0's launch. I've raided on it since T5 was relevant content... I stuck with it even through A9-12s... I was disappointed in the changes with HW, but I remained hopeful for a balance for WHM with SB. Something to make it more unique and actually wanted in raids!

    Now, that hope is dashed completely. :/ And I'm not very excited about the expansion anymore. AST is all well and good... but it's never been my WHM. I've never once changed my main. Well, unless this gets fixed, I'm done with WHM. I have to level it for my retainers, but that's it. Done after that, I'll be raiding on AST from now on.
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  10. #10
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    Character
    Koromo Amae
    World
    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 89
    the 4.0 changes to WHM are absolutely horrible

    not only do we get half our skills stolen and moved over to the role skills without compensation, we also completely lose stoneskin, get horrible RNG added, and aside from the 0 mp cost buff all the new skills and passives are absolutely horrible

    please SE fix this, you are literally killing WHM T_T
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