Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Rouse only buffs heals directly from the fairy. And fairy doesn't execute succor (if however u meant Fey illum healing 20% buff its a 2min cd therefore would not be up for each sequence; which is why i said sch could deal with this mech in several different ways but not the same way twice). so Succor is 150 heal 150 shield. If you succor the party before the photon erases everyone's HP down to 1%, you effectively have 150 potency heal on remaining on the party in the form of shields. If you're precasting into the photon mech you can fit 2 gcds in before whirlwind hits. If sch DOES NOT use emergency tactic to make their aoe all instant heals their successive succor will only heal for 150 potency since the initial pre photon succor shields is still in effect! so that 150 pre shield + 150 instant heal for succor + another 150 instant heal from succor + 400 indom. 150+150+150+400 = 850 potency.
Edit- Emergency tactic is a 30 sec recast... i was thinking 2min...... so that Sch 1150 potency.
You Could Add rouse to Whispering Dawn pre photon such that you get 2 ticks (6 sec) by the time whirlwind hits that would give you a total 280 potency rouse regen raid aoe. That would push sch to 1430 consistently timed potency.

Ast doesn't change much at all. You had synastry and that makes your 300 potency into 360 potency; light speed doesn't speed up your recast (however TECHNICALLY IF PERFECTLY TIMED even though it doesnt shorten your recast you might be able to fit an additional gcd inside that photon whirlwind window....but that's not reliable nor practical..and the recast on Light speed is too long). So ast still 720 potency.

So Ast + Sch = 720+ 1430 = 2150 potency.

But since we wanna add sch pre photon regens!! then we gonna add whm pre photon regens too!!!

so asylum 90 sec recast; 100 potency; so thats 200 potency in the 6 sec window. pre photon medic II with divine 65 potency, so 130 potency in the 6 sec window + whm already 1750 potency 2 divine+cure 3's + assize; for a grand total of 2080.

Compare how one healer (WHM) is comparable to consistent cd rotation AST + SCH aoe healing!!
2080 and 2150 are about the same....


NOte: there is NOT 6 sec inbetween Photon execution and Whirlwind execution; I just simplified to fit an additonal regen in the mix but the more technical comparision would be only 1 regen tick . So AST + SCH= 2010; and WHM = 1915 which introduces a bigger gap but still not huge!

NOTE 2

Note this is an example of content design that neglects WHM's superior healing abilities, b/c the Photon+Whirlwind sequence is so infrequent (AOE in general), and The number of utilities SCH/AST has are innumerable. SCH/AST has at no time need to be able to match WHM's instant/regen healing abilities. SCH/AST can use a combination of utilities to facilitate the necessary eHPS EVEN if its a different combo of abilities each go around. They will always have SOMETHING they can combine together to get the job done.

Moving forward if SE continues with the same philosophy behind the healers and similar content; one way of balance would be to render WHM pure healing effectively = to SCH utility. This would make SCH and WHM interchangeable since everybody wants that increase in dps late in patch; but this would also make SCH/WHM even more preferable during early progression over AST/WHM and AST/SCH (which are the two setups that would prevail later in the patch cycles).

Looks like WHM has gone for a good long jaunt down the HPS throughput rabbit hole, if it didn't have a clearly obvious throughput advantage before, I suspect it does now. Divine seal going up to 90 seconds reigns it back in a bit though, oh and colour me a little sad that fluid aura has lost it's damage =(

The AST Lord and Lady mechanic seems fantastic, finally no more need to constantly throw away cards. Earthly star also looks like a fun mechanic to use. The gotcha here is any unnannounced changes to the base cards.

SCH seems to be getting the raw deal though. 20% crit for 15 seconds on a target is super tasty, Broil II is a big step up in potency but the bane change coupled with losing Blizz II is going to take the axe to their personal DPS in dungeons or add phases. Not seeing the fairy stuff kind of leaves it a bit vague though, if they have kept fey illumination as well, that'll be a big bonus for them.

Originally Posted by Docteur_Fluttershy

Again, if you take into consideration regens (which i didnt), you have to take AST's regens too, which are (with CU+asp helios > asile+medica II), higher in AoE than WHM. (unless you regen individualy every target).

But since i just looked into the announced spell and saw how bad they were for WHM compared to the others (or unless the WHM is going into a solo heal meta), i'm just gonna go cry in a corner.

what just came out????!!! LINKK THAT SHITTT




You're right you can link AST aspect Helio regen but you can't include CU regen b/c you'd not gonna get 3 sec of time without applying the ability over one of your GCDs (there is only 4-5 sec between photon and whirlwind, no way possible to do 2 gcds and then do CU and get a regen tick 3 sec later from activation. )

So if you add ast helio for 1 tick you have while under synastry that's 44 regen potency which makes the gap even bigger.... and now its starting to show....

2054 SCH/AST vs 1915 WHM ; a difference of 139 potency- 139 is significant......