Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by Alkimi

I'm hoping SE has learned from this, since no doubt adjustments will need to be made during 4.0.

We can only hope. Though my main concern is that unless WHM actually gets a toolkit at the start of 4.0, then WHM, similar to MNK and BLM, won't really have anywhere to move if (or should I say when) the more support orientated jobs are, once again, buffed to the point where they are equal at their primary role with the 'pure' jobs... i.e. Nerf AST healing in 4.0 > AST complains it can't heal X content > Buff AST healing in 4.X > Buff WHM ???* to make up for it...

*Keeping in mind that they can't really buff the Mitigation / Healing / DPS of the pure jobs too much or it will outright trivialise content and / or make them required for certain content, neither of which is a good outcome.

Originally Posted by Sebazy

Progression raiders will figure out and settle on an optimal meta irrespective of how marginal the gains are and the sheep will follow it as gospel.

Maybe, but the issue we have at the moment is that the 'meta' (with regards to certain classes at least) is 100% correct... i.e. you can't point to WHM and say they have anything siginificant over AST; you can't point to MNK and say their personal DPS is worth dropping a NIN/DRG/MCH for; you can't point to PLD and do anything but laugh (am mostly happy with 4.0 PLD buffs btw)... so yes, while their will always be a 'meta', there should also always be an alternative... i.e. you should be able to point to WHM and say, they may not be 'meta' but they do have <significant advantage> over AST and SCH.

Originally Posted by Acidblood

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*Keeping in mind that they can't really buff the Mitigation / Healing / DPS of the pure jobs too much or it will outright trivialise content and / or make them required for certain content, neither of which is a good outcome.

This.
You can't buff a WHM the same way you buff a AST. If WHM fails in 4.0, we're going to have to wait until they redesign the entire job in 5.0. That's why I'm so worried. If they screw up, they can't just go in and buff their cures. It just won't help and/or will lead to other balance issues.

Originally Posted by Acidblood

you should be able to point to WHM and say, they may not be 'meta' but they do have <significant advantage> over AST and SCH.

And that's all I want. Don't need WHM to be meta, don't need them to be near mandatory like SCH. I just want them to be competitive. Right now, they offer absolutely nothing completely unique to them like both other healers do. In general, pure healing isn't a "unique" identity. It just does more of the same. I just really hope this is not the case in 4.0 as well. They really need something powerful and unique to call their own.

Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

And that's all I want. Don't need WHM to be meta, don't need them to be near mandatory like SCH. I just want them to be competitive. Right now, they offer absolutely nothing completely unique to them like both other healers do. In general, pure healing isn't a "unique" identity. It just does more of the same. I just really hope this is not the case in 4.0 as well. They really need something powerful and unique to call their own.

Sure they do Assize. I would like to see more abilities like that for the white Mage.

I think there's nothing wrong with WHM. o.O; Maybe it's because I don't give a toss about the opinions of the 2% raider meta, lol. It still keeps people alive, it's the closest thing we have to a classic MMO healer, in the same way that PLD is the closest we have to an actual tank. :/ I don't think they should abandon the "pure healer" concept, too many people are attached to it.

Why does everything need to have a gimmick? And yes, I scanned through the replies, and it all seems like the same sheepy repetition of "utility utility utility," that 98% of people don't even need because they're not in a first class progression static in the first place. XP

I think it would be a mistake overall to mess with WHM too much. Sure, give it something unique, but I disagree with all the people saying it needs a complete overhaul. It wouldn't be WHM anymore.

Originally Posted by Feidam

Sure they do Assize. I would like to see more abilities like that for the white Mage.

I have this creeping feeling that because of the changes to cleric stance, Assize is going to get nerfed. Hopefully not by too much, but I see it coming.

I would love to see more damage + heal abilities myself though.

Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

They're not. Btw we lost Divine Seal as well lmfao. This is funny how. It's hilarious how bad they're treating WHM.

Seriously everyone else got new great unique job skills, we got more heals. This is amazing, it's like they hate WHM.

I haven't played White Mage, but I think I can relate since all they showed for Dark Knight was a spin attack and a somersault, and then took away Reprisal.