Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

**Acidblood** · 05-24-2017 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anastacy

You won't always need Esuna.

True, but even if you only need Esuna sometimes, you're pretty much going to need to take it all of the time. e.g. It may be that rare dungeon that actually needs Esuna, but if you are going into a roulette, can you really take the chance you are not going to end up in that one dungeon that has a nasty debuff (or Doom)? Sorry guys, don't have a Esuna, can't do this... not a good look.

By making Esuna optional though, does this now mean that it really is optional? i.e. is the worst we are ever going to see outside of a savage raid a minor poison or slow? Because if not, I thought the whole point of this cross-role thing is so that people didn't end up without the tools to do the job, and if so, then FFXIV just got way more boring

PS. Not sure about you, but I have no love for having to swap abilities (and hotbar buttons) based on content, so if all these skills are not truely optional then this new 'improved' system is nothing but a backwards step.

Originally Posted by Sanghelios

Also on that esuna thing, keep in mind you can set up those on the run in dungeons.

If that is the case, then why not just cut out the middle man let us have all of 'sometimes required' abilities all of the time... seriously, swaping stuff in and out like that is going to be a major pain, and likely take up the hotbar space anyway just so that you can press it from muscle memory and not having to remember that your X ability is now Y.

Originally Posted by Fernosaur

Didn't they say changing jobs outside of a sanctuary wouldn't impose the cooldown penalty? With the role skill system and the system of roulettes, I'd be surprised if the same didn't apply to role skill changes. You can probably just switch them around so long as you're not in combat.

Then what is the point of even making them 'optional'? Simply to make us stop every other pull because boss A has a debuff that needs to be removed and boss B doesn't... That just sounds like are serious pain, not to mention really bad design; is the new 'skill gap' going to be knowing what abilities you need to have equiped for a given encounter? I would like to think that this new system won't be that annoying, but given the abilities they chose to put in it, I don't have very high hopes.

**Adventica6** · 05-23-2017 07:27 PM

Which FF game was Whm not a pure healer? please tell me I want to know.

**Reiryuu** · 05-23-2017 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by Adventica6

Which FF game was Whm not a pure healer? please tell me I want to know.

Paralyze, Dia, Silence, Blink, Reflect, Haste, Berserk, Slow, etc. are all WHM abilities from games in all the series, except for this one =p

**ErryK** · 05-23-2017 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by Reiryuu

Paralyze, Dia, Silence, Blink, Reflect, Haste, Berserk, Slow, etc. are all WHM abilities from games in all the series, except for this one =p

But do they need them?

Like, you're also forgetting the fact that they may just be saving these skills for 70+, maybe even some skills on the way to 70, as well as replacement skills for 1-60 will be some of these skills?

The opening post to this thread reads like a bad doomsday prediction.

**Reiryuu** · 05-23-2017 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by ErryK

Probably because those games aren't MMOs.

Just saying.

Excuse me, he asked for a Final Fantasy game. And Um.... what about FFXI?
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/spelll...ml?job=whtmage

**Feidam** · 05-23-2017 10:23 PM

@Limonia the reason the resurrection spells stayed as is is mostly likely because of the arc/smn/sch. The smn retains the red as part of his utility and if they moved it he would either lose acces or they would have had to give all the caster res as well.

**Exiled_Tonberry** · 05-23-2017 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by Limonia

And if they give almost all nice WHM skills to the other healers but don't give WHM anything else but pure healing, why would anyone keep playing WHM? People don't want WHM already. I thought they would do something AGAINST that, not make it even worse.

It's a really weird move on their part which makes me think they must have given WHM something really good. But I just can't see it.
First of all, the lilies seem to build only during healing, which is already bad because most healers slap on regens and keep dpsing. So we'll only benefit from our new abilities as we heal.
Then, I really didn't notice any speed increase at max lilies, which makes me think the increase is negligible. We'll see in the coming days, but right now it looks like WHM was completely screwed.

**Limonia** · 05-24-2017 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

First of all, the lilies seem to build only during healing, which is already bad because most healers slap on regens and keep dpsing. So we'll only benefit from our new abilities as we heal.

Oh, I didn't even notice that part, I only watched the WHM video once. But if that's true, it's even worse. People would just overheal like mad only to get the buff. So WHM will probably be even worse off than we think it will be.

I really like the aesthetics of WHM, the nature and holy aspect of it and the weapons (I rather have a magic cane than a book or space stuff), but well, I'll probably play AST then. I already play it more than WHM now. I'll still level WHM first, just to see how bad it will be. xD

I really wonder... if the devs hate WHM so much, why not remove it completely? What use is there to have two healers with various abilities and one healer that has nothing interesting aside from heals?

**Bourne_Endeavor** · 05-25-2017 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by Limonia

Oh, I didn't even notice that part, I only watched the WHM video once. But if that's true, it's even worse. People would just overheal like mad only to get the buff. So WHM will probably be even worse off than we think it will be.

I really like the aesthetics of WHM, the nature and holy aspect of it and the weapons (I rather have a magic cane than a book or space stuff), but well, I'll probably play AST then. I already play it more than WHM now. I'll still level WHM first, just to see how bad it will be. xD

I really wonder... if the devs hate WHM so much, why not remove it completely? What use is there to have two healers with various abilities and one healer that has nothing interesting aside from heals?

They don't hate White Mage. Unfortunately though, the devs don't balance around the meta and keep insisting on having a "pure healer" when even their most recent change to Cleric effectively makes all three hybrids. Now... a pure healer could actually work in this game if it were made stronger at its one specialty than its counterparts. If the devs balance around that philosophy finally, the healers may balance out.

**Tint** · 05-25-2017 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

They don't hate White Mage. Unfortunately though, the devs don't balance around the meta and keep insisting on having a "pure healer" when even their most recent change to Cleric effectively makes all three hybrids. Now... a pure healer could actually work in this game if it were made stronger at its one specialty than its counterparts. If the devs balance around that philosophy finally, the healers may balance out.

we had exactly that at the start of 3.0. but then all the ASTs were whining that they couldn't heal as good as a WHM, they got buffed and what are they doing now? right: using the increased healing potency to stay longer in cleric since they don't even need that much healing power. i agree that the cards needed a buff, but the healing potency was fine.

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