Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Looking at all the changes as a whole, I have a funny feeling SE is going to introduce more RNG mechanics in FFXIV. They know WHM is kinda useless in FFXIV yet they are doubling down on the design. This tells me they may be changing combat design instead of job design to make WHM work, and this includes randomized damage spikes and less scripted fights

Originally Posted by Velox

and this includes randomized damage spikes and less scripted fights

And most people love the scripted fights... if that's the case, and they're upping the damage and frequency players take it... the salt will be all over the forums.

We can't derive.....we can assume though. Our responsibility once the game comes out is with raw data keep SE accountable for making all the healers balanced. And balanced doesn't have to be homogenous. There are ways to make the healer combos offer a difference style. However even if all combos are even, meta will still default....lol

I mean... is there a small chance with what was said regarding "the more lillies we get, the shorter our cast times" also being linked into the barrier which just happened to be party wide. Something like that could give us a edge in the utility department if it was both spell/skill.

Originally Posted by Sebazy

Lets just be clear here, WHM's HPS advantage is significantly more than 'slightly' better. It can frontload raw no frills aoe HPS on call without any of the drawbacks, cooldowns or hoops AST and SCH have to jump through. Divine seal doesn't enable as many tricks as Synastry, but again, in terms of raw HPS, it wins by a handy margin.

It's not a case of WHM's HPS not being better, but rather that on a smooth consistent run, you likely don't need it. Step outside of the theory crafting forum bubble though and the safety net that extra HPS potential brings is clearly appreciated given how well represented WHM is still irrespective of it not being widely shunned within the progression scene currently.

All of these WHM threads are going on the assumption (amongst others) we are going to see another super easy raid tier which of course devalues the raw HPS potential a WHM brings. There is plenty of room for tighter HPS checks without going OTT, Both Midas and Gordias have great examples of this throughout.

Won't that just screw over AST or SCH instead and push WHM to being mandatory? I don't really see that as a good fix. Plus they pretty much said they are aiming for about the difficulty of Creator.

I am note sure WHM barriers will stack with SCH and AST ones. SCH and AST barriers don't stack. Stoneskin did but it wasn't practical to use during combat unless you had a long down period to cast it 8 times and even then it was a pretty weak barrier spell.

Originally Posted by Belhi

Won't that just screw over AST or SCH instead and push WHM to being mandatory? I don't really see that as a good fix. Plus they pretty much said they are aiming for about the difficulty of Creator.

I am note sure WHM barriers will stack with SCH and AST ones. SCH and AST barriers don't stack. Stoneskin did but it wasn't practical to use during combat unless you had a long down period to cast it 8 times and even then it was a pretty weak barrier spell.

If content is as easy as Creator, we're screwed by default. There's not a single thing in that place that needed big heals, even with progression gear on.

Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

If content is as easy as Creator, we're screwed by default. There's not a single thing in that place that needed big heals, even with progression gear on.

Well Creator was far more successful in their eyes than either Midas or Gordias was. They are adding an ultra hard mode in 4.1 but honestly if the only place in the game where you need big heals is in the very hardest content in the game, don't you think the toolkit is probably a bit too powerful for the gameplay provided? What is the point of having powerful new heals if there is almost no where they are actually needed?

Originally Posted by Belhi

Well Creator was far more successful in their eyes than either Midas or Gordias was. They are adding an ultra hard mode in 4.1 but honestly if the only place in the game where you need big heals is in the very hardest content in the game, don't you think the toolkit is probably a bit too powerful for the gameplay provided? What is the point of having powerful new heals if there is almost no where they are actually needed?

That has been the point many of us WHM have been arguing this whole time. We don't need heals. We don't need to be pure healers. We need some utility and something to mix up in raids