Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by bidaum92

So... my recommendation is simple. Revert the lillies to be a 15-25% chance on any healing spell cast. this then removes the requirement to focus cast with cure/cure2 and becomes a general bonus can be watched for and used as and when without becoming a central mechanic that has to be focused.

Whilst a lot of people seem to be complaining the Lilies aren't exactly an inspiring mechanic. They don't need to be a central mechanic of the class. Just an added bonus. We already have enough spells and options to keep things lively. The lilies are just a little extra on top.

I'd question why the lily system is needed at all. To me, it just seems like something added under the banner 'every class needs a gauge'.
No they don't.
What every class needs are smooth synergy game play mechanics. I'd throw out the lily system completely and focus on returning some of the lost diversity to the class.
We didn't have much prior to 4.0 but even that little disappeared with Stormblood.

Originally Posted by Teraluna

I'd question why the lily system is needed at all. To me, it just seems like something added under the banner 'every class needs a gauge'.
No they don't.
What every class needs are smooth synergy game play mechanics. I'd throw out the lily system completely and focus on returning some of the lost diversity to the class.
We didn't have much prior to 4.0 but even that little disappeared with Stormblood.

I'm not sure I follow you when you say we don't have much diversity.
Is super strong AoE and single target healing, best single target dps, amazing aoe dps, sleep, knockback, aoe STUN, insta full heal etc etc... not enough diversity?
If I'm missing something please let me know!

The mechanics are all there IMO just need better synergy.

Originally Posted by bidaum92

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I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, it feels like there's a lot of overlap between WHM and AST.

So, I have some questions/thoughts!

Can't an AST in Diurnal accomplish most of what a WHM can do? In practice, Holy, Cure III, Asylum, Assize, Thin Air, and Benediction are what separate WHM from AST, but I've noticed they all have two things in common: They do more for the WHM than the party as a whole, and they're non-essential for clearing content. There doesn't seem to be anything in the WHM's toolkit that is a "must have" for the group.

I think people are asking for something that makes us desirable over an AST beyond Holy, which is useful more in dungeons than anywhere else, and Cure III, which is situational.

AST even seems to have an answer to Benediction in the form of Lightspeed. It may not be as MP efficient, but it accomplishes the same goal, which is all that really matters to most people.

Edit: Thanks for clearing that up, Caduagm! See his post below.

Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

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Several things needs to happen to the Confession system for it to be a strong addition to the WHM kit.

-The timer needs to DISAPPEAR.
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100% agree.

Originally Posted by bidaum92

I'm not sure I follow you when you say we don't have much diversity.
Is super strong AoE and single target healing, best single target dps, amazing aoe dps, sleep, knockback, aoe STUN, insta full heal etc etc... not enough diversity?
If I'm missing something please let me know!

The mechanics are all there IMO just need better synergy.

Diversity of the class was diluted due to mechanics being moved to the Role list. Diverse is defined as 'very different, unlike others'.
It didn't help that Ast was based on cloning Whm skills, duplicating a number of mechanics. 4.0 continued down this path.

Crits are love, Crits are life, more Lilies = more crit rate please.

Why did you necro this thread?

Let it die.