Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

As a WHM main I echo the concerns in this thread, but I think we need to wait until the media embargo is lifted later this week and we get reports from people who have actually played the adjusted healers. If the flower-thingy is a speed buff as people are suggesting, it might mean WMH becomes even better at dps between heals - that could be our 'utility'.

Originally Posted by Acidblood

Still holding final judgement until we get more detail, but yeah it looks like it's time to start learning SCH / AST.

Also, is it just me, or is there essentially no real choice in cross role abilities for healers (and WHM in particular), what with having to 'take back' basic utilities like Protect, Esuna, Cleric Stance (because unless something has drastically changed the meta is still going to be DPS, DPS, and more DPS), Swift Cast, and Shroud of Saints?

PS. And Stone IV, really? Is that really the best they could come up with... /sigh

That's the problem, unless something drastic has happened with MP refresh for all healers, we're instantly forced to take Shroud back and fall further behind on MP management compared to the other 2. Unless the Lilly's have a MP utility tied to them too. But I have to agree, it just feels like we're forced to take back abilities we lost while everyone else has something to gain.

The Live Letter really turned everything upside down, hopefully once the info starts flowing we get our answers and hopefully things are not as bad as it seems.... (hopefully)

Originally Posted by Acidblood

Still holding final judgement until we get more detail, but yeah it looks like it's time to start learning SCH / AST.

Also, is it just me, or is there essentially no real choice in cross role abilities for healers (and WHM in particular), what with having to 'take back' basic utilities like Protect, Esuna, Cleric Stance (because unless something has drastically changed the meta is still going to be DPS, DPS, and more DPS), Swift Cast, and Shroud of Saints?

PS. And Stone IV, really? Is that really the best they could come up with... /sigh

PPS. And if Cleric Stance is now no longer required for Healer DPS, does that mean Healers are now offically expected to contribute to DPS?

That's one of the main reasons I'm annoyed about these changes. We are going to need to take Protect, Esuna, Shroud of Saints and Divine Seal. That's four slots already we need just to do our job again. We can debate that Swiftcast is really needed but if we are getting speed buff then we might avoid this. And due to the DPS first nature of the game Cleric Stance will be needed and with that all five slots are taken. The rest of the stuff we are unlikely to see if we wanna be taken seriously in content :/

You won't always need Esuna.

Originally Posted by Anastacy

You won't always need Esuna.

A solution to a problem should never be "you don't always need it". If the skill is so vital to the jobs in the first place it should be there period. Infact, I don't even see why all the role skills isn't just there for all to be taken anyway without the need to limiting it. Customisation isn't a thing in this game, may as well let all the skills be selected in the role list in the first place.

Originally Posted by Snat

A solution to a problem should never be "you don't always need it". If the skill is so vital to the jobs in the first place it should be there period. Infact, I don't even see why all the role skills isn't just there for all to be taken anyway without the need to limiting it. Customisation isn't a thing in this game, may as well let all the skills be selected in the role list in the first place.

I never mentioned a "solution".

I was responding to someone who was talking about being taken "seriously", to which I inferred they were talking about raiding encounters.

You aren't always going to need Esuna (unless SE specifically designs a dispel mechanic into every boss fight). Both healers won't need Protect. Work it out with your raid group.

I'm not disagreeing that Esuna should be baseline, though. I just disagree that it can't be worked around.

It's so weird that Esuna becomes a cross role skill when every healer already had something like that but things like Raise, Resurrection and Ascend or Cure, Physick and Benefic stay on their healers. Why not just keep Esuna and their equivalents on the healers? I really hope that we won't need Esuna very often, because most healers won't have it anyway.

I also really don't get that we lose Stoneskin and keep Repose. They should rather have changed something about Stoneskin but let WHMs keep it. It actually really fits their nature and holy theme, so I find that a little bit sad.

And if they give almost all nice WHM skills to the other healers but don't give WHM anything else but pure healing, why would anyone keep playing WHM? People don't want WHM already. I thought they would do something AGAINST that, not make it even worse.

Nice making us choose 5 out of 10 skills of which we now have most of them FOR FREE not having to choose from them. What kind of choice is it, when like 4 or even 5 of them will me mandatory most of the time?