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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
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    BUT, the critical thing is, the RADIUS of this spell is a whooping 30 yalms.

    TLDR: Everytime you cast Cure/II, you have a 20% chance of healing everybody for 400 potency.

    That's hell alot of healing, but of course, if the game does not demand it, its still useless V_V.
    Thats not how the lvl 70 Spell works. Each time you heal a target, that target will get a confession stack at a chance of 20%. Sounds good, the downside is huge and makes this additional potency thingy pretty lame. Okay, 20% chance, makes it 15 casts of cure1/2 to give the mt 3 confession stacks (MT because hes the only one who gets healed by cure1/2). So, now you using the lvl70 ability, and everyone gets healed by 400 pot and mt by 600 pot. Now question it. Is main tank in need of a 200 pot higher aoe heal? Pretty much no (Let alone because he already has a high defense value wich makes that kinda pointless.

    Also question how crazily long it will take to cast 15! cure 1/2. Even if you chaincast them for whatever reason you will end up with 45 seconds at least. Now a good whm doesnt chaincast and so you have to put plenty of other healing cooldowns inbetween your 15 cures. Let it be regen, medica, medica 2, stone, holy, aero3 whatever. Tetragrammaton, Assize too, because even if it doesnt add more cooldown time, its effect of healing also lowers the amount of cure1/2 you need during that time. You can easily end up with getting the 3 stacks after 90-120 seconds. Also note confession falls of after 30 seconds.
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    Last edited by Sanghelios; 06-01-2017 at 01:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
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    YOure talking "plenary indulgence"!!

    Finally a skill that is true to a WHM/ pure healer!! Current system's 30 recast ogcd INDOM at 400 potency was shitting on us WHM's. NOW we get a real oGCD aoe with a 15 sec recast!!!! and varying potency(400, 500, 600) with a 30 radius. 30 radius is the largest radius in game so there isn't an issue at all with being centered. If your 25 yalm medica2 hits everyone.... your 30 yalm PI will LULz it way to the very edges of the arena!!!


    Another note:
    We can't know if we're suppose to be disappointed or satisfied just yet.............WE NEED to see these utilities in CONTENT..... Content will make or break us (make or break any job for that matter.)
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    Last edited by javid; 06-01-2017 at 07:11 AM. Reason: clarity

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    Quote Originally Posted by javid View Post
    YOure talking "plenary indulgence"!!

    Finally a skill that is true to a WHM/ pure healer!! Current system's 30 recast ogcd INDOM at 400 potency was shitting on us WHM's. NOW we get a real oGCD aoe with a 15 sec recast!!!! and varying potency(400, 500, 600) with a 30 radius. 30 radius is the largest radius in game so there isn't an issue at all with being centered. If your 25 yalm medica2 hits everyone.... your 30 yalm PI will LULz it way to the very edges of the arena!!!


    Another note:
    We can't know if we're suppose to be disappointed or satisfied just yet.............WE NEED to see these utilities in CONTENT..... Content will make or break us (make or break any job for that matter.)
    The wording strongly suggests that your potential targets need to have Confession stacks to consume in order for the skill to work at all, which means that you need to have thrown out enough single-target Cures in a short time span to proc 1+ stacks on anyone you might want to heal with your subsequent Plenary Indulgence. This is sounding more than a little wonky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by javid View Post
    YOure talking "plenary indulgence"!!

    Finally a skill that is true to a WHM/ pure healer!! Current system's 30 recast ogcd INDOM at 400 potency was shitting on us WHM's. NOW we get a real oGCD aoe with a 15 sec recast!!!! and varying potency(400, 500, 600) with a 30 radius. 30 radius is the largest radius in game so there isn't an issue at all with being centered. If your 25 yalm medica2 hits everyone.... your 30 yalm PI will LULz it way to the very edges of the arena!!!


    Another note:
    We can't know if we're suppose to be disappointed or satisfied just yet.............WE NEED to see these utilities in CONTENT..... Content will make or break us (make or break any job for that matter.)
    Dude... it heals no one if they don't have stacks of confessions which they earn only by being healed with a cure I or cure II at 20% chance and it lasts for 30 seconds.

    I hear the tank forums need a troll, why not go looking over there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiryuu View Post
    ...nonsense...
    Talk about a troll....

    Anyways. the probability is of 20% chance of getting a confession is like 1 of 5 cures. And the more cures over 5 you output the more chances of at least getting 1 and potentially more. so lets just be funny and say RNG shits on us every pull each pull always and we only get 1 confession every 10 cures (half of the listed probability). That would mean an effect recast time of 10 gcds (20sec- 25 sec recast). that's still a 400 minimum potency with a 20-25 sec recast, ogcd, centered off the target for 30 yalms.... it will reach everybody..... (even if the tank is 6 yalms directly in front of the party that's still 24 yalms effective aoe around the party.. basically the same as medica ii 25 yalm radius).

    So yea that is a very reliable skill IFF PI is the only utility that consumes confessions. ( And the confession stack last 30 sec so u can most definitely prep it pre pull the way we stack buff now b4 a pull.)

    Mind you this is all on top of the cures we still have and asylum and medica and assize and tetragram and Benny.....so hardly (just on the basis of ability in a vaccum) is SE telling us to go play AST/SCH


    EDIT

    FOR YOU NERD OUT THERE!!! the probability of landing AT LEAST 1 confession out of 5 attempts given a 20% success rate is 67% chance; getting at least 1 out of 10 attempts jumps your chances up to 89%; and finally getting at least 1 out of 12 attempts is 93% chance!! 67% is a bit meh... but anything upward of 80% is dependable. And the gcd cost for 80%+ reliability is 20-30 sec [effective recast of the ability].

    Yes anything less than 100% is not SCRIPT rotation reliable and min/max'ers will complain about SE adding more RNG to the game (but RNG is good in the form of dynamic play. Rather than a static test of how well you can memorize a sequence then execute).
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    Last edited by javid; 06-01-2017 at 07:14 AM.

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    I am very, VERY disappointed in whm changes. And the main reason I'm disappointed is because the confession and lily systems could've been great! They could've worked if they operated off of a regen and medica 2 tick proc system, so your tank with their two regens will gain more confession stacks to be healed more often, but you also gain lilies even while dpsing....


    I am very disappointed and will be dropping my old healing main for now. I can only hope the devs change the lilies and confession system to regen procs or SOMETHING.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buff_Mama View Post
    I am very, VERY disappointed in whm changes.
    That would be WAAAAAYYYYYYYY OOP; if they made the same confession proc at 20% rate of a regen tick. Being that you could medic II the whole party giving 8 ppl ticking and regen mt for even more additional ticks (and if you really wanted to go overboard regen everybody or stack everyone under asylum while you're at it). They would have to nerf the proc rate soooo hardddddd to keeep ppl from abusing the mech. But then if they nerfed the proc rate; ppl would be forced to keep max regen on party ticking in order to maintain someone with confession. This method off of cure is more stable is less abusive since it will cost you a gcd per proc attempt; vs your regen method which could at most cost you 9 gcds and one cd and you'd have a confession machine for the next 30 sec!!!!
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    @Reiryuu,
    If anything you should be blaming me, not Javid, I was the one that spread the misinformation in the first place.


    Sorry to get you hyped Javid,

    but yeah upon further reading, Cynfael is probably correct, I have also amended my previous post.

    Man I just want SOMETHING to like about WHM.....Guess PoM + Thin Air + Holy..... I guess.

    They really want us to cast Cure I and Cure II like no tomorrow huh....
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    @Reiryuu,
    If anything you should be blaming me, not Javid, I was the one that spread the misinformation in the first place.


    Sorry to get you hyped Javid,

    but yeah upon further reading, Cynfael is probably correct, I have also amended my previous post.

    Man I just want SOMETHING to like about WHM.....Guess PoM + Thin Air + Holy..... I guess.

    They really want us to cast Cure I and Cure II like no tomorrow huh....
    Nah, they want people to stop playing WHM and play AST/SCH instead. Good thing I have both leveled... wonder if I have to refrain from even leveling whm to effectively protest this crap.
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    It's pretty clear in my eyes that PI is going to be one beastly mashup of Synastry and a tank specific Lustrate during early progression or phases of significant sustained incoming damage across one or both tanks. The more damage that's coming in, the more HPS this ability will churn out (to the extent where I suspect it'll handily outstrip the loss of throughput from DS in new raid tiers at release). If you're basing your opinion of this on Creator with Echo or Dun boredom then frankly, you're missing the point of it.
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