Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

**Cheremia** · 06-16-2017 06:51 PM

1. Do NOT lock the shield behind lillies if you do not GAIN anything from it.
Why does it use 1-3 Lillies if it doesn't benefit from it? What's the point in it having such a big cooldown then? 30 seconds may not be ultra long but... for a single target shield? Why does it use more than one lillie if you have more?
You could make it an Aoe shield that gains more range the more Lillies you have. Or make it have more potency, or anything. Or just give us stoneskin back and make stoneskin 2 usable in combat.

2. How about something like zombie? That could give the enemy a debuff that makes YOUR(gotta be selfish) heals do damage. But to limit it a bit, it doesn't work with off global heals (because benediction... yeah, no). Like short duration with long cooldown but you could just go ham on things with it if you do not need to heal.

3. Why not make confessions work off of regen ticks only? With really low % to prog? AND make them STAY still you use the heal? If the % is really low and you NEED to heal hp with it, it should be more useful than spamming cure 1/2 for BOTH new mechanics.

4. What about an AoE raise? Small radius, long cooldown, maybe locked behind having 3!! Lillies, maybe mega mp. But people do die close enough to each other that that would come in handy and that would work with the pure healer.

5. What about a skill that makes a target regain a portion of they health they lose when they get hit for a bit? Could be used with lillies and it doesn't get more potency, but LONGER duration maybe?

I know it's senseless to throw in ideas and all but I just had those without really thinking about them.
But if you want to make them pure healer, don't take away the one skill that makes them heal like a truck, while keeping healbuffs for the other two healer. There are so many ideas you can play around with if you want pure healer without it being to complicated.

**Kacho_Nacho** · 06-16-2017 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by Kyeria

To be honest, this expansion has made me feel kind of dirty/guilty playing AST. I feel like people are going to look down more harshly on AST players because of how screwed their jobs were with this expansion. People were already asking for the job to be beheaded in 3.0 for the large discrepancies between healer viability it had back then. AST has been my favorite healer since release, even back when it was garbage...

Please don't! It would be a crime for you to give up your favorite job because of stupid player backlash. By that, I mean backlash from stupid players.

Go out, play astrologian, and enjoy it!

**TheAngelneer** · 06-16-2017 10:25 PM

Just confirmed you don't get any lilies if your Cure/Cure II doesn't actually heal damage.

Prepare for frustration when the off-healer gets to someone first and you waste mana and get nothing out of it. This is so stupid that I can't even test lilies on a dummy when I'm at full health.

No lilies for you to shield the tank if he is already topped before a tank buster.

**Estriella_Faerie** · 06-16-2017 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by TheAngelneer

Just confirmed you don't get any lilies if your Cure/Cure II doesn't actually heal damage.
No lilies for you to shield the tank if he is already topped before a tank buster.

Yeah, it is even worse than we first thought it would be...

**mylam** · 06-17-2017 12:48 AM

Originally Posted by TheAngelneer

Just confirmed you don't get any lilies if your Cure/Cure II doesn't actually heal damage.

Prepare for frustration when the off-healer gets to someone first and you waste mana and get nothing out of it. This is so stupid that I can't even test lilies on a dummy when I'm at full health.

No lilies for you to shield the tank if he is already topped before a tank buster.

Seriously?? Wow that's incredible... "Cure II has 100% chance to spawn a lily... ! Oh but we forgot to mention cures need to heal damage in order to proc a lily..... oops

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**Yallaid** · 06-17-2017 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by TheAngelneer

Just confirmed you don't get any lilies if your Cure/Cure II doesn't actually heal damage.

Prepare for frustration when the off-healer gets to someone first and you waste mana and get nothing out of it. This is so stupid that I can't even test lilies on a dummy when I'm at full health.

No lilies for you to shield the tank if he is already topped before a tank buster.

I'm looking forward to 'lilymages' being a thing like Ice Mages were -- gotta start getting upset when the tank self-heals and steals your lily procs from you.

On the plus side, I really hope this means WHM solo-healing is a thing. Give me all your lillies, don't you freakin' dare heal yourself, pop second wind or use a potion. That is My Job!!

**Yuyuka3** · 06-17-2017 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by Virin

See the thing I keep thinking about is what the encounters will be... dungeons primal raids. Will we step in them and suddenly realize how crucial pure healing is going to be? We know the current content only. No patch notes or demo is showing us what we are in store for. Yes old content will feel off with these changes but they couldn't just change that all too only what we have moving forward.

Just too bad AST is doing a better job in that regard, too. Diurnal Sect now gives a 10% potency increase to ALL heals, so WHM isn't even the healer with the strongest heals anymore, and instant heals on CD won't change that even one bit.

Seriously, AST got everything, the others got nothing but nerfs. THAT'S NOT HOW BALANCING JOBS WORKS!!!
They need new class developers, period. This is unbearable.

**Reiryuu** · 06-17-2017 01:38 AM

I'm only 61 'cause MSQ are borked apparently (can't enter MSQ fight scenes) but so far fating is a lot more boring than it was previously. Soloing the lilies may as well not even be there. Haven't really jumped into dungeons yet... but... hearing lots of people in dungeons saying it's going much slower, tanks drop faster healers are afraid to dps lol. Not sure if that's a good thing or not, but it's a thing I guess. Not a lot of people have been expressing one key element though: Fun. I'm hearing a lot of frustrations and that so far. =/

Originally Posted by bswpayton

Why would tanks be dying faster? and heals be scared to dps with cleric gone I dont really understand that one

I don't either. Just what a lot of people who finally got into some roulettes were saying. I decided to log to see if they fix the issues tomorrow. Are things borked over on the NA servers too?

**bswpayton** · 06-17-2017 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by Reiryuu

I'm only 61 'cause MSQ are borked apparently (can't enter MSQ fight scenes) but so far fating is a lot more boring than it was previously. Soloing the lilies may as /

Why would tanks be dying faster? and heals be scared to dps with cleric gone I dont really understand that one

**Ghishlain** · 06-17-2017 01:46 AM

Originally Posted by bswpayton

Why would tanks be dying faster? and heals be scared to dps with cleric gone I dont really understand that one

If overall auto attack damage from monsters has gone up in dungeons that'll lead to higher damage. I found Dusk Vigil pretty hard hitting when I first started it back in 3.0 but learned to cope with it after getting used to the shift.

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