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  1. #2971
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    Verdan's Avatar
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    Verdan Lankost
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    Goblin
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    Carpenter Lv 70
    Just because the cardboiz have also obliterated the fairymen doesn't mean us caneguyz are in a good spot. The balance is bad on most fronts, the tanks are freakin' out and for some reason they nerfed monk. It's pretty rough out there.
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    Last edited by Verdan; 06-16-2017 at 01:31 PM.

  2. #2972
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    Metsonm's Avatar
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    Met Rhukon
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    Shiva
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    White Mage Lv 80
    I don't know, becoming competitive with second place because they got kneecapped doesn't really fill me with pride for my job. I'd much rather everything was equal rather than WHM and SCH fighting over who's least bad.
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  3. #2973
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    Risvertasashi's Avatar
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    Makani Risvertasashi
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    Ultros
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Metsonm View Post
    I don't know, becoming competitive with second place because they got kneecapped doesn't really fill me with pride for my job. I'd much rather everything was equal rather than WHM and SCH fighting over who's least bad.
    And if LB charge isn't especially important... double AST is even a possibility.
    (12)

  4. #2974
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    BroodingFicus's Avatar
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    Selahdis Gharl
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 80
    Yeah I'm sorry this is all a load of bull. At /best/ we're no worse than we were in HW but that is completely unacceptable when they didn't give us a new healer in favor of 'balancing' the old ones. The moves we got are lackluster and really half baked replacements of other similar things we had before they took them (aka stoneskin = divine benison that didn't require gimmicky flowers. Thin Air = another way to manage MP since Divine Seal got the nerf bat). I'm honestly quite tempted to just bench my WHM until its addressed. Maybe if huge chunks of the healer population jump ship and queue times become unbearable, they'll take a hint.
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    Last edited by BroodingFicus; 06-16-2017 at 01:42 PM.

  5. #2975
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    AlphaSonic's Avatar
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    Shaartis Laggal
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    Louisoix
    Main Class
    Thaumaturge Lv 70
    Anyone noticed how many abilities has WHM compared to AST? It feels bullshit.

    Stone (1-2-3-4)
    Cure
    Aero(1-2)
    Medica
    Ressurection
    Fluid Aura
    Repose
    Cure II
    Presence of Mind
    Regen
    Cure III
    Holy
    Medica II
    Benediction
    Asylum
    Assize
    Tetragrammaton
    Thin Air
    Divine Benison
    Plenary Indulgence

    Only 20 freaking abilities only 20!!!

    Now compare to AST

    Malefic (1-2-3)
    Benefic
    Combust (1-2)
    Lightspeed
    Helios
    Ascend
    Essential Dignity
    Benefic II
    Draw (Undraw)
    Diurnal Aspect
    Aspected Benefic/Nocturnal Sect
    Royal Road
    Spread
    Aspected Helios
    Redraw
    Synastry
    Gravity
    Time Dilation
    Collective Unconscious
    Celestial Opposition
    Earthly Star
    Minor Arcana
    Sleeve Draw

    AST - 23 (without counting the effects of each card)
    WHM - 20 (with no buffs to your allies)
    (10)
    Last edited by AlphaSonic; 06-16-2017 at 01:53 PM.

  6. #2976
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    Vircon's Avatar
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    Character
    Wynona Niruton
    World
    Lamia
    Main Class
    Thaumaturge Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaSonic View Post
    Anyone noticed how many abilities has WHM compared to AST? It feels bullshit.

    Stone (1-2-3-4)
    Cure
    Aero(1-2)
    Medica
    Ressurection
    Fluid Aura
    Repose
    Cure II
    Presence of Mind
    Regen
    Cure III
    Holy
    Medica II
    Benediction
    Asylum
    Assize
    Tetragrammaton
    Thin Air
    Divine Benison
    Plenary Indulgence

    Only 20 freaking abilities only 20!!!

    Now compare to AST

    Malefic (1-2-3)
    Benefic
    Combust (1-2)
    Lightspeed
    Helios
    Ascend
    Essential Dignity
    Benefic II
    Draw (Undraw)
    Diurnal Aspect
    Aspected Benefic/Nocturnal Sect
    Royal Road
    Spread
    Aspected Helios
    Redraw
    Synastry
    Gravity
    Time Dilation
    Collective Unconscious
    Celestial Opposition
    Earthly Star
    Minor Arcana
    Sleeve Draw

    AST - 23 (without counting the effects of each card)
    WHM - 20 (with no buffs to your allies)
    They'd be even if SE didn't just get rid of the Stoneskins and Divine Seal from us. *coughcough* Despite all of that you may as well subtract another two because no one uses Fluid Aura and Repose in PvE. >_>
    (4)

  7. #2977
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    Vircon's Avatar
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    Wynona Niruton
    World
    Lamia
    Main Class
    Thaumaturge Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by BroodingFicus View Post
    /snip
    Agreed. The thought is tempting me as well. Love Thin Air but not crazy about everything else and I've been a WHM since 2.3. All 3 healers are still in the same position as 3.5 now. WHM is still an inferior AST, SCH has had their fairy heals and DPS nerfed but they still have more utility and mitigation, and AST is still overpowered even more so now. Their way of balancing everything is hilarious.
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  8. #2978
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    Shaartis Laggal
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    Louisoix
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    Thaumaturge Lv 70
    I mean if the only redeeming balance against AST vs WHM is that WHM has 20% more DPS and better MP consumption than AST I'm still taking AST.
    (1)

  9. #2979
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    RulerOfPotaoes's Avatar
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    Drafus Thicc'rod
    World
    Faerie
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    Better mp consumption than AST is debatable, since AST can stash Ewer card and even get more Ewer cards while having one stashed. Not to mention extend duration of all MP regens + different potencies and durations. Id say they almost even.
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  10. #2980
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    Falar's Avatar
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    Character
    Kane Blackstone
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    Ultros
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Verdan View Post
    Just because the cardboiz have also obliterated the fairymen doesn't mean us caneguyz are in a good spot. The balance is bad on most fronts, the tanks are freakin' out and for some reason they nerfed monk. It's pretty rough out there.
    What the hell is SE thinking?

    It is like they are trying to flop.
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