Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

**Iris_Lokspuhr** · 07-16-2017 03:45 AM

Originally Posted by VanilleFang

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That sounds great and all, except pre-healing is still hit-or-miss when it comes to lily generation. If you have a poor internet connection (like me), pre-healing will almost never grant a lily because the server still thinks I've healed someone at full health, which in turn makes DB a non-reliable spell. And I bring up cast time because others claim 'It's a free cast ability, how is it useless', when in truth it isn't since you'd need to cast Cure II to guarantee it being available to use.

It just feels like a wasted spell as it is currently. I'd be happier if it only used one lily regardless of how many you have, or shield potency scaled off of lilies. But until then it's just something I'll use if I've got nothing else to use my lilies on.

**mooferz** · 07-16-2017 02:43 AM

Originally Posted by Malackai

Benision... sigh I rarely use it maybe that's my flawed play but the fact it uses up all lilies simply makes it to random for me.
And I feel I am being held at ransom most of the time so I tend to ignore it.

You shouldn't even worry about lilies as of right now they're pretty ignorable. I tend to use Benison on the tank after the last mob in a trash pull dies so I always make sure the tank isn't overhealed to get that lily if I don't have it already. In other cases I just use it before tankbusters or on people who are almost dead before I heal them up if Tetra or Benediction aren't up yet. But I do agree DB could use some minor tweaks like scale off of the lilies instead (15%/20%/25%) so that it feels more impactful.

**Maltothoris** · 07-15-2017 08:44 PM

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4303437

Heres the healer post from the Live leader.

In terms of the rate of lilies, maybe regen or medica will proc them and veryy vague on Plenary Indulgence change but the notes will be ready in a few days so not much time to wait.

**Saraphin** · 07-17-2017 12:28 AM

I'm wanting to be hopeful about the supposed changes, but...i'm waiting on the patch notes to know for sure if it's going to be good. Though, let's be honest...there's any bit of minor changes that would make PI better.....

and plenty of suggestions as to what would improve WHM in this thread alone.

**Heliosfiend** · 07-17-2017 08:20 AM

I main WHM, and running with these new skills are quite disappointing.. if only those lilies are consumed just like Aether Flow stacks and not blow them away in an instant with assize or tetragrammaton, make all heals or anything whm do build lilies. Also the fluid aura.. dear god.. why would they remove the damage.. it's part of the rotation poking boss or monsters with water with damage is fun. also the divine benison, what the hell is that it consumes all lilies, they could've somehow make it a group buff instead of a solo buff..

Wish we have unique skills

other healers are so fancy and shinny as Mr.T's Bling.

MAKE WHM GREAT AGAIN!

**Seraphyna** · 07-18-2017 01:51 AM

Originally Posted by Heliosfiend

not blow them away in an instant with assize or tetragrammaton

And this is why I just completely ignore the lily mechanic. Saving those lilies for something but someone needs insta-heal but not bene worth? Well, there they all go because you used tetra. If DB happens to light up, I use it. Otherwise I completely ignore the lily gauge.

Have to watch party bars.
Have to watch focus target.
Have to watch main tank.
Have to watch screen/enemy movement.
Have to watch mechanics.

Now have to watch lily crap.

Just no. Thought this was supposed to reduce screen staring/watching?

**Austie13** · 07-18-2017 07:59 AM

Hi everyone! I figured I would throw in some ideas that could be fun to implement! All of the numbers and such could be adjusted but the foundation is there.

What I would love to see would be a revamped Lily system that automatically generate lilies over time (say 1 lily every 15 seconds) and can stack to three. The white mage would be given an ability to consume a lily which would then alter the effect of the next spell used.

Keeping the “Pure Healer” idea in mind while trying not to step on other healer’s niches, some examples could included:
Cure I – After 5 seconds the target is healed again for a cure I potency (unable to crit).
Cure II – Puts a short duration shield on the target for 15% of their max hp. (This could replace divine benison)
Cure III – Instant Cast
Medica – Heals targets below 50% of their max hp for 50% more.
Medica II – No mana cost.
Regen – Applies a Nature’s Regen that can stack with a normal regen.

Plenary Indulgence also could be reworked. If I am correct indulgence in this sense is paying to have ones sins absolved so why not make it an AoE heal that consumes all current regen effects (regen, nature’s regen, and medica II) and has a base heal that scales with each regen effect consumed? Thusly you are "paying" your regens to reap a reward!

What do you think?

**Kabzy** · 07-18-2017 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by Austie13

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Certainly unique, but those changes would push both AST and SCH out of the meta. There would be no need for a second healer if WHM could do all that on its own. xD

Edit: One ability I really wanted WHM to get in 4.0 was Pray. It's generally a weak spell, so it wouldn't be a reliable AoE heal, but it would be something free and instant which, as seen in FF games, could also have an additional effect. Whether it's a low MP/TP regen or some kind of buff. It fits in well with WHM and afaik was a pretty iconic ability for them.

**Sansa78** · 07-18-2017 11:58 AM

Still don't see why scholar got all these changes and we've been complaining for months..

**Kabzy** · 07-18-2017 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Sansa78

Still don't see why scholar got all these changes and we've been complaining for months..

Most of the WHM complaining came before 4.0 was even released. Upon release most people realised that WHMs needed a few tweaks at most, whereas SCH basically needs a rework. Lilies and PI were the biggest complaints, and tbf they are at least looking into that for tomorrow.

We don't know all the changes just yet, but what they listed for SCH isn't even what most SCHs wanted. We wanted to keep our identity as a mitigation healer, and they haven't mentioned any buffs to that yet, and the Faerie is staying at 250 potency, Dissipation unchanged etc etc. So you should probably be happy that WHMs are actually getting changes in the areas they have requested. o/

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