Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by Ryahask

WHM can maintain a steady DPS rotation without running dry on MP.

I'm not talking about dungeons though, where you get small breaks between pulls to restore mana. During progression raids, WHM MP would run dry very fast if they wanted to perform as an off-healer. There's literally no denying that because the costs of keeping up DPS were flat out more than they could recover via Shroud and Assize.

Originally Posted by Ryahask

SCH doesn't have the highest single target healing, it's a common misconception. Even using Aetherflow, AST has higher. What SCH does have is the highest sustainable single target, as AST will blow their MP in about 2 minutes if attempting to keep it up (Though that's obviously unnecessary).

That's kind of completely irrelevant though. There's burst and sustained healing, not just mindlessly spamming Benefic II until your MP runs dry.

Originally Posted by xNewbx

The only thing the upset WHM's will take at this point is a 20% damage increase AoE balance to all party members for 30 seconds on a minute cooldown.
Then maybe... just maybe, perhaps they will consider everything to be fair.

Haven't you heard? Balanced jobs are underpowered. The only way to be considered good is to be massively overpowered.

Apparently, this is what we're getting...

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...s_etc/diy7w1e/

Like we expected, they only changed the procrates of the lilies, which doesn't change a thing.
- The reward from lilies is still CD reduction, which is crap.
- Gaining lilies is still only from casting Cure and Cure II spells, which are the ones we try to avoid as much as we can as they're the most inefficient we have.
- Divine Benison is still gated behind the lilies

So pretty much all the remarks which were compiled on the first post are still valid.

At this point, after seeing the updated skills, it's going to take everyone running double AST in raids for SE to finally take notice (SCH isn't much better off than WHM tbh). With how lillies will basically be ignored it will be 3.0 WHM with a free heal now and again with Plenury.

Divine Bension being 30s is nice but to make it reliable you're basically gonna have to cure 2 before you use it every time (and hope the tank isn't already at full HP). It's a really bizarre design choice.

Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Haven't you heard? Balanced jobs are underpowered. The only way to be considered good is to be massively overpowered.

Oh, so you mean AST.

Originally Posted by Niroken

Oh, so you mean AST.

If it's not overpowered it's bad, so yup! Just gotta make WHM more OP than AST so everyone runs double WHM instead.

Originally Posted by Seraphyna

Apparently, this is what we're getting...

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...s_etc/diy7w1e/

So they only really changed how Cure and Cure II interact with Lilies? That's... yeah. WONDERFUL. /s

Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

If it's not overpowered it's bad, so yup! Just gotta make WHM more OP than AST so everyone runs double WHM instead.

Could you grab a non joking post that suggests that, I can't seem to find one but it looks like you found a few at least.

Originally Posted by Niroken

Could you grab a non joking post that suggests that, I can't seem to find one but it looks like you found a few at least.

Thunda is a troll. Ignore her.

Seriously though, no one wants WHM to be OP, we want balance. AST is overpowered compared to the other healers, WHM is UP in raids. Keeping all healers on equal playing fields shouldn't be that difficult.
Why the hell did they not change Balance? That alone makes AST ridiculous strong.