Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

As I've gotten more into the stormblood toolkit the consensus seems to be the same. The pure healer concept and tools given in heavensward are contradictory to the lilies mechanic. In dungeons I can DPS while using our heavensward kit to keep the tank topped off. In trials I get more use out of regen, medica, medica II and assize for AoE heals. The only scenario where using Cure and Cure II is effective is if every other skill is on CD and the tank has low enough HP. That doesn't happen often. The lily mechanic needs to change. Period.

I can effectively ignore it and continue healing in the same exact way I was doing before and be just as effective or even more effective. That's not good (or fun) game design.

Ok so trying to read through 200+ pages of this stuff... yeah i'm not going to do so if i'm repeating things that's why and I apologize.

First let me start off with this. I've been a white mage since 1.0 and before when it was just a Conjurer. I've seen this class get downgraded so many times it's not even funny. When it was just the class roles, we lost most of the major attack spells that we had. IE: the ancient spells of Quake and such. It really ticked us off. Then white mage came out and it was pretty decent then, with the Holy spell, and our powerful cures... however after 2.0 came out Holy became nerfed. There were even a lot of us that didn't use certain spells due to preferring different ones over the other (like using medica 2 with it's regen properties and better aoe, than Cure 3 where everyone had to stack) or even pointless ones (or semi pointles) Fluid Aura (that is my opinion only if any disagrees, meh).

Finally we got an easier spell of stoneskin which was an aoe cast, granted it had a hella long cast time but that was compensated with the quickcast. Now even that's gone. We can't cast all three aeros, nor the three different stones if we wanted to. Heck does stone 1 even put slow on a target anymore? (I haven't been in a low level dungeon recently). Honestly what has been done to Whm doesn't feel like it's helping us much. It feels like it's trying to make us obsolete.

Originally Posted by Rannie

We can't cast all three aeros, nor the three different stones if we wanted to. Heck does stone 1 even put slow on a target anymore? (I haven't been in a low level dungeon recently).

Streamlining of the spells is fine. The Stone spells were just direct upgrades of each other, outside Stone with its heavy, so it makes sense to just have them automatically upgrade. Stone lost its heavy because they are trying to change CC to be very low to no damage, but we learn Stone II very early now.

Also Fluid Arua was far from useless. It was extra damage that was oGCD. Generally you would cast Aero III > Aero II > Aero+Fluid Aura.
Now, with the damage being removed, it is pretty useless.

Originally Posted by Mogana

On the very low chance DPS gets a Confession for example, the timer will most likely wear off before it's actually needed. The duration timers also differ from person to person. One time I got excited that 2 people actually had a stack, only for one of theirs to fall off before I was able to activate PI.

This. This really needs to eh addressed. The way other players other than Tanks get plenary stacks, and the length of the stacks, because this is ridiculous. You will never need a plenary heal right after spamming Cure II on a DPS within 30 seconds. Not sure what SE is even thinking anymore.

I'm currently a level 65 WHM and I don't have too any complaints aside from the massive elephant in the room about how counter-intuitive the lily system is as a whole. With that being said, I am looking forward to level 66 for Divine Benison as I'm one of the few it seems who believes its vastly superior than Stoneskin due to the fact it's both an oGCD and zero-MP. I don't really have much of a complaint for a skill that's essentially a light Cure that generates no overheal and minimal enmity for the caster.

As a whole, I like the kit. I basically have 0 MP issues even when I've performed 7-8 raises in the Susano HM fight and solo healing the second half of the fight on WHM. The number of non-MP reliant heals that WHM has put definitely made any sort of crazy trash pulls in any of the 60+ dungeons I've run simple as I have a set of tools to use in every pull while still maintaining high DPS via Holy and Stone IV.

So far, it's been a blast. I know Secrets of the Lily II will be silly and PI won't have any moments to shine until I get into EX's and raids. My gut tells me that AST/WHM will be what raids will be aiming for in the opening weeks.