Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by Feidam

Until we see how the encounters are designed no I wouldn't. I'd be curious to be sure. However, the role choices might not seem to weird once we see the new skills and how encounters are designed.

Well problem is we go back to the whole not requiring a specific class. They won't make any of the support skills on dps classes required, lest a specific class becomes required for a fight. If it was a broad dps category and it wasn't broken into melee, range, caster I could see them being required but not as designed.

Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

I mean hell, the later part is already taking place.

Yet YOU have a low opinion of US because we aren't going to sit on our thumbs and not do anything until our job is destroyed.

Are you aware of what the term "self fulfilling prophecy" is? It's used to refer to a phenomenon in which one person's undeserved fears or worries serve as a catalyst to cause the very thing of which they were fearful of. There have been dozens, if not hundreds, of threads from WHM mains espousing how they're inferior to the other healer jobs and demanding change for a job that really didn't need them in the first place. In addition, said exclusion didn't even begin to start happening until several months after the first two or three dozens threads were posted. When one is constantly pushing an idea of inferiority, they really shouldn't be surprised when their own words come back around, because they always do.

Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Are you aware of what the term "self fulfilling prophecy" is? It's used to refer to a phenomenon in which one person's undeserved fears or worries serve as a catalyst to cause the very thing of which they were fearful of. There have been dozens, if not hundreds, of threads from WHM mains espousing how they're inferior to the other healer jobs and demanding change for a job that really didn't need them in the first place. In addition, said exclusion didn't even begin to start happening until several months after the first two or three dozens threads were posted. When one is constantly pushing an idea of inferiority, they really shouldn't be surprised when their own words come back around, because they always do.

This is the most illogical post I've seen yet. I'm sure the only reason warriors do more damage than paladins is cause they believe they do and people post about it too? Am I right?

Not to throw oil on fire, but when AST complained about their class, (and they did a lot), they got a chain of huge buff one after the others. (potency increase, hate management boost, mp management boost, utility increased several time, etc...)

Originally Posted by Docteur_Fluttershy

Not to throw oil on fire, but when AST complained about their class, (and they did a lot), they got a chain of huge buff one after the others. (potency increase, hate management boost, mp management boost, utility increased several time, etc...)

This is true, but ASTs were also being actively excluded from content simply for being AST. I imagine Squeenix gave us those buffs just to get people to play the class. But now that the... balance of power has shifted (pun intended), I have a feeling they will make adjustments accordingly. Its the things we are NOT seeing that should be concerning people more than "that looked like another heal! ARGH!"

Originally Posted by Yorumi

While it would be interesting, it's highly doubtful whm is going to do enough extra dps to equal dps boosts on 8 people combined.

Its the only thing I can think off that would make it fair "if" we do not get any utility that is our own. We do not need to equal the DPS include on 8 people because while AST AoE and Balance is nice it is something currently they are not able to do on demand. WHM would just need to do more damage than a SCH and AST to make up for the DPS lost you would take from having no buffs to the party. We can still be a pure healer and seeing this game does focus on DPS and the quests do go a bit into DPSing as a healer - they can still make being a stronger DPS our utility that we bring to the raid.

What I am hoping doesn't happen is our DPS is on par to SCH and AST and have no extra utility that we bring to the party - that's when people will not want us.

Originally Posted by Valmaxian

This is true, but ASTs were also being actively excluded from content simply for being AST. I imagine Squeenix gave us those buffs just to get people to play the class. But now that the... balance of power has shifted (pun intended), I have a feeling they will make adjustments accordingly. Its the things we are NOT seeing that should be concerning people more than "that looked like another heal! ARGH!"

I wasnt saying they were wrong to complain, AST needed a buff, i'm just saying that complaining on the forum is supposedly the good way to make the devs aware of what is going on in game. It was an example to show that a constructed complaint could be a good thing, and doesnt have to lead to "get what you sow" like thunda's message felt like.