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    VanilleFang's Avatar
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    Uriel Valesti
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    Zalera
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    I understand other people's PoV just fine, but I don't agree with it. Thus by your criteria, that means that my disagreeing with you makes me a troll.

    Okay. /10cha
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    Carmine Altair
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    Samurai Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    I understand other people's PoV just fine, but I don't agree with it. Thus by your criteria, that means that my disagreeing with you makes me a troll.
    Hmm...

    How you think pro-DPS healers play:

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    I loved being a green deeps. It was entertaining watching people rage at wiping for not dodging avoidable stuff.

    So... no. no you don't.
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    S'vhele Cottl
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    Siren
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    Monk Lv 70
    Hey guys, don't you see that the WHM skills are still subject to change??????? SB isn't even out yet the devs are looking into it!1!11!

    cries in the corner of the room
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    Kethic Zachrias
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    Hyperion
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    White Mage Lv 90
    All we really want is for the Lily/Confession mechanic to be re-examined so it encourages good gameplay instead of bad gameplay, and a defining class raid utility. These could be addressed simultaneously.
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    Slaine Fray
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    Louisoix
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    Conjurer Lv 100
    There's a comment in an interview about SAM having more dps then other jobs, however to make up the difference it lacks utility. I'm afraid WHM is the healer equivalent, It's just their chosen mentality going forward at the current time.

    The problem is, no one wants extra healing. At the end of the day the other healers will be able to heal content regardless.
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    Last edited by Slaine_Fray; 06-16-2017 at 06:16 AM.

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    Hestzhyen Voer
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    Gilgamesh
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Well, AST was crummy to play on release in 3.0. And then look what happened to them. Just gotta wait a year to feel good again, by which point they'll have over-tuned us so we become the new Gods of Healing! Or we'll be like BRD and have to wait until 5.0 to get a kit change that better reflects what people like about the class.

    I'll be leveling WHM first so I can give feedback on it since apparently our opinions are worthless unless we CALM DOWN and get it to 70. I'm not willing to grind that without story EXP to help out. Hopefully since Early Access will be mostly story and dungeon content I can avoid people trying to boot me in content. WHM still has their paper crown for "best in dungeon DPS" right?!
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    Kethic Zachrias
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Slaine_Fray View Post
    There's a comment in an interview about SAM having more dps then other jobs but to make up the difference it lacks utility. ... The problem is, no one wants extra healing.
    I think they're being even more literal than that. I think WHM will have drastically more dps to make up the difference, not more heals.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hestzhyen View Post
    I'll be leveling WHM first so I can give feedback on it since apparently our opinions are worthless unless we CALM DOWN and get it to 70. ... WHM still has their paper crown for "best in dungeon DPS" right?!
    Honestly, I expect the first month as WHM to be fantastic. Dungeon King, Progression Primals, Progression Raid. The question will be how it settles in late July, early August.
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    Slaine Fray
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    Louisoix
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kethic View Post
    I think they're being even more literal than that. I think WHM will have drastically more dps to make up the difference, not more heals.
    In terms of DPS...

    That's the other problem... Players won't accept a WHM doing the damage of an equivalent utility from another healer, for some strange reason it has to be a utility buff for the raid.
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    Kethic Zachrias
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    Hyperion
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Slaine_Fray View Post
    In terms of DPS...

    That's the other problem... Players won't accept a WHM doing the damage of an equivalent utility from another healer, for some strange reason it has to be a utility buff for the raid.
    If it works out the same way Warrior did, with regards to hybrid role output, people may come around. We'll see.
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    Met Rhukon
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    Shiva
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Slaine_Fray View Post
    In terms of DPS...

    That's the other problem... Players won't accept a WHM doing the damage of an equivalent utility from another healer, for some strange reason it has to be a utility buff for the raid.
    We'd love to do as much damage as an AST plus a balanced raid all on our own, but we accept that that is such a disparity that it would be crazy numbers.
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