Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by Taika

It's a bit off topic, but I think "first clear" means different things for different groups: it may require healer DPS from the world first groups on the first few weeks, like you said. But from the "not-100%-optimal" groups it will require that for much longer, even with item level increase. The thing that doesn't make sense in that quote is that if you are able to DPS as a healer on your first clear in any content, the content won't get any harder than that, so you're supposed to DPS more on each following clear... Sorry about the off topic, that quote has been bothering me because it doesn't make much sense. :P

No arguement about that, its just my impression of HIS intention, was the envelope pushers who make the strats as they learn, not try to learn with the knowledge there and acclimate to the practice if using it. Of couse it could be another lost in translation nuance.
I still remember the guy who could Solo, heal Odin trial when it came out and just crush the bleeds with pure throughput on WHM, also he got angry if you "wasted time" cleansing them off. Wasn't the nicest guy, but played like a champ. So healer DPS couldvalso equate to, ditch one healer and get a super good solo healer to buy the slot, or free up one healer to do more. Lots of meaning can be gotten out of it, but Im banking on the forerunners in this case.
Under the idea its the content pushers who would be able to sneak in more DPS from healers and tanks, theyre probably also consisting of on average better players than later sub optimal DF/PF groups with better player synergy. So does he imply its easy enough ANYONE can pull it off when the content is ahead, or the people who are quite good at what they could do would be able to pull it off.
Wouldn't be surprised if Yoshi-P was more understandable when talking to Japanese media, English lacks a lot of the subtle nuances that Japanese has a lot of.

Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

You're not even attempting to understand where us WHM mains are coming from.

......lol.....I clearly have been wasting my time.... for the amount of detail I've place in my posts..... and data with actual game mech descriptions, videos, parses, etc.... For you to make a comment like that to marginalize/summarize my positions as "you've not been listening...."

You guys are obtuse and inaccurate. the MAJORITY of WHM have not been echoing your chants; the data doesn't support this lie you guys keep repeating to yourself. You harp on my use of hyperbole in referencing your concerns as the 1%... But does it really matter if you're actually 1% or 20%?? You're still havent become the majority and SE has, so far, catered their new changes to what the masses (whatever larger percentage that is). And if you don't like it all you can do is leave your complaints.

Originally Posted by fantasticm

You've already been wasting your time. One would think by now you'd realize that the concerns people have with WHM aren't limited to 'the top 1% core raiders' but whatever I guess. I won't argue that last bit, though.

I like how you ppl continue to marginalize what I've posted with this "1%" comment, as if you can't comprehend hyperbole to make a point. Again the concerns you have, YES, are shared by many WHMs across the realm......HOWEVER the larger HEALER populace DOES NOT SHARE YOUR CONCERNS, and SE (so far) has sided with the populace with their new implementations! IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT..... you can leave your complaints down below, and if you can garner enough ppl to share your complaints MAYBE you'll see a change??




Its still funny how you and the ppl like you think you can also quiet the opposition?? I don't know who else this might be working on??? But this TROLL aint going nowhere? At least, as your opposition, though characterize as extremely patronizing and condensing, I haven't attempt to quiet you guys. Still baffles me ya'll say "I don't understand" or "I aint trying to listen......" LOL. I have been listening and I most certainly understand, and I DISAGREEE! But nope, nope, if I disagree then clearly I'm not listening nor capable of understanding.

Originally Posted by Ceasaria

An interesting subject : https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...in_stormblood/
There are good comments.

DUUUDDEE where has conversations like these been??? Yall should take notice! These ppl on this particular reddit forum are yelling at each other the same way we're doing here....but they're more articulate with their positions: stating facts, data, making references that can be recreated...... We could learn a thing or two? Or do we wanna continue to say stuff like "Designer have no clue how healing works in this game...."


Those are some nice numbers! WHM might be able to displace a SCH, if Ast can cover the sch role( ast can do anything so.....)

Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

Honestly at this point, I think it's best if we try and stop discussing the same issues in this thread.
The devs are going to look at this whenever they get it, see some 2000+ post monster, and instantly back out. At this point, we really should just wait and see.
Add as much as you can to the first page OP, that's most likely what they're going to look at as a general summary of the entire thread.

I'm pretty sure the OP covers all those points as it stands. Unless I missed something or need to clean something up.

Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

Oh no, I wasn't implying the OP quotes and summarization was inadequate or anything. You've done a fine job.

Oh, no worries. Admittedly, I've skipped a few pages since it looked like there was a lot of trolling going on, so I was worried I might have. XD I did, however, clean it up a bit to make it easier on the eyes.