Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

**Snat** · 05-25-2017 04:20 AM

Ya know, something occurred to me. Anyone else getting a feeling that White Mage "utility" could end up being a higher DPS output compared to the other two healers. So while the other two healers can buff the raid - White Mage stays as a pure healer - pure as in they directly heal and directly DPS.

Food for thought.

**Thunda_Cat_SMASH** · 05-25-2017 04:23 AM

Originally Posted by Yorumi

There's a bit of a difference between a off gcd skill and focusing almost their entire cross role skills on support. It's just strange that the caster dps cross role has basically nothing at all to do with dealing damage.

Because dps is the only metric that matters, right? Support is just worthless aye? I dunno about you, but I'm actually glad that role skills are gonna be predominantly support.

**Yorumi** · 05-25-2017 04:43 AM

Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Because dps is the only metric that matters, right? Support is just worthless aye? I dunno about you, but I'm actually glad that role skills are gonna be predominantly support.

You guys love taking my posts out of context and not reading them all. Take a look at post #141 where I said "I'm not against doing more support work". Oh, well, guess that makes you look foolish.

**Yorumi** · 05-25-2017 04:44 AM

Originally Posted by Snat

Ya know, something occurred to me. Anyone else getting a feeling that White Mage "utility" could end up being a higher DPS output compared to the other two healers. So while the other two healers can buff the raid - White Mage stays as a pure healer - pure as in they directly heal and directly DPS.

Food for thought.

While it would be interesting, it's highly doubtful whm is going to do enough extra dps to equal dps boosts on 8 people combined.

**javid** · 05-25-2017 04:47 AM

Originally Posted by Sebazy

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Yuyuka3 tag me in, I want some of this guy

Sch has the highest aoe BURST!

I think you're confusing burst (instant heals or regens in short window of time) with your second point which is absolutely true: WHM DOES have the highest sustained HPS bar none! (however our content makes that HPS EXCESSIVE). SCH and WHM over a 30 sec time have *virtually* the same burst (this is assuming fey illumination doesnt stack with rouse on pets.......) with Sch just sightly ahead.

What is the highest burst aoe healing a whm can do? either divine swiftcast med 2 + asylum and assize or for more instant heals but less aoe range swap out that med 2 for a cure 3. cost WHM 1 gcd and 4 ogcds for a total of: (med 2) 910 potency over 30 sec + instant 300 potency (assize) + 800 potency over 21 sec (aslyum)= 2010 raid aoe in 30 sec(or cure3 combo: 1815 potency in 21 sec) Thats sounds cool!!

Now lets talk SCH.....

#scenario 1
Fey Illumination + Deployment tactic + rouse + whispering dawn + indom+ adlo. That's 5 cds and 1 gcd for a grand total: 720 potency (adlo yes shields counts as burst...most cases!) + 980 potency over 21 sec (whisper +rouse) + 400 potency (indom) = 2100 potency in 21 sec!!
note: Deployment range is short like cure III's

#scenario 2 (pure heals and regens, no shields!)
illum + emergency + rouse+ whisper + succor = 1740 potency in 21 sec.

Which is cooler? Medica II's 2010 potency in 30 sec? Deploy Adlo's 2100 potency in 21 sec? Cure III's 1815 potency in 21 sec? or Emergency Succor's 1740 potency in 21 sec?

Adlo > medica II > cure III > succor ..... but still more a less the same but technically sch is the champ.

Edit
if we're talking strictly no regens!!! then yes whm has a divine seal cure III for 715 potency + assize 300 = 1015 potency in 1 gcd time!
Sch has Fey illumination + Dissipation + Emergency + succor for 420 potency + indom 400 potency = 820 potency in 1 gcd time!

But all that up there was just about being pedantic... they're about the same. What I really wanted to get into is the comparison you posted about WHM to AST diurnal sect ...

By Design AST's Diurnal Sect is copying WHM's abilities but SHOULD be an inferior version..... However this is how AST compares

Collective Unconcious > Aslum( 10% dmg down + 15 sec 150 potency regen that can be extended by Celestial Opposition; total regen 750 potency recast 90 sec vs. 100 potency FIXED AREA EFFECT for 24 sec; total regen 800 potency recast 90 sec . Strictly in terms of heals asylum has 50 more potency IFF you don't extend with CU for 10 more sec... But Whm has no comparison to the 10% dmg reduction aspect.)

Next

Essential Diginity > Tetra ( they are effectively both 700 potency. ED goes from max potency of 1k down to 400; while tetra is flat 700. this makes ED more efficient but effectively they're the same potency on avg. But Also ED is 20 sec less recast time)

Next

Synastry < Divine Seal (Synastry has more single target potential but Divine wins in 7/9 cases. And divine has a 30 sec less recast time!! that is huge)

Next

PoM > Light Speed (PoM actually allows for more cast in a window; LS only allows for the execution of the cast to be on the front end of your recast and MP conservation)

Next

Disable > E4E ( in terms of reliability. However if e4e ALWAYS PROCS. then e4e has 2 more sec of up time every 3mins compared disable)

Next

Whm Virus > nothing! (Whm wins even if its just physical its still something! whm wins!! And there are few mech in game that are physical aoe!)

Edit
Opps I did forget assize and benny!! Assize has no Ast equivalent very true! and Benny being ogcd on a 5min recast again is very OP; BUT..... Synastry single target can get the largest Thrill of Battle Defiance WAR HP pool to 100% in 2-3 GCDs (with ED) though. But Benny still has no equal...

However this is the end of the Whm vs AsT. From this point on Ast just stands alone.

Bole= LULZ
arrow/Balance= LULZ^2
Spire/Ewer= situational lulz
spear = miniature lulz

of the few bonus WHM has over AST which ones or combination would make you under optimization purposes make you pick a WHM over that of a AST IN THIS CONTENT (don't make up a content to make whm relevant. and you can't go bk to gordias either b/c ast wasn't completely buffed yet).

P.S. even though we weren't compared SCH to AST quickly notice that AST NOC sect doesn't come as close to SCH shields and utilities as much as it comes close and some times pass Whm heals and utilities..........(Again SCH has no equal).

**Thunda_Cat_SMASH** · 05-25-2017 05:02 AM

Originally Posted by Yorumi

You guys love taking my posts out of context and not reading them all. Take a look at post #141 where I said "I'm not against doing more support work". Oh, well, guess that makes you look foolish.

You say that, yet you're here complaining about the fact that there's little direct dps buffs in the role skill system. If there were such abilities, we'd have B4B 2.0 where you're required to put on a boring direct damage buff instead of other more interesting support skills.

**ToasterMan** · 05-25-2017 05:02 AM

Let me ask you all a question right now. I'm just curious.

What's your statics healer composition right now? What was it for 3.X? I'm interested in getting hard data right now.

**Yorumi** · 05-25-2017 05:16 AM

Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

You say that, yet you're here complaining about the fact that there's little direct dps buffs in the role skill system. If there were such abilities, we'd have B4B 2.0 where you're required to put on a boring direct damage buff instead of other more interesting support skills.

Context. I was talking about how the new role system has some weird choices. It's odd that the role skills on a caster dps has virtually nothing to do with performing the role. You wouldn't find it a bit odd if the healer role skills consisted entirely of dps skills or tank role skills consisted entirely of heals that couldn't target self? It's just weird choices.

**Feidam** · 05-25-2017 05:22 AM

Originally Posted by Yorumi

Context. I was talking about how the new role system has some weird choices. It's odd that the role skills on a caster dps has virtually nothing to do with performing the role. You wouldn't find it a bit odd if the healer role skills consisted entirely of dps skills or tank role skills consisted entirely of heals that couldn't target self? It's just weird choices.

Until we see how the encounters are designed no I wouldn't. I'd be curious to be sure. However, the role choices might not seem to weird once we see the new skills and how encounters are designed.

**Feidam** · 05-25-2017 05:26 AM

Originally Posted by Yorumi

While it would be interesting, it's highly doubtful whm is going to do enough extra dps to equal dps boosts on 8 people combined.

You are right they won't equal the dps of the whole group when balance is in play. However, they could provide more dps when rng isn't supplying balance cards. Further more balance card could be nerf or changed. (Wait for the crying if that happens! :-) )

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