Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

Why is one job out of 13 in the game designated as "casual" and deserves to not have any helpful or strong mechanics for itself?
If that's actually true, it's a very stupid move on Yoshi's part, to be blunt about it.

Nothing wrong with having a job designed to be casual, thats how 3.0 PLD was designed

Originally Posted by javid

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How do you please the hardcore players and causal players?? YOU give them each a few bones is how!! Take your SCH/AST and leave the causal his WHM....why is that such a problem for some of you?? lool.

Because some people love the job WHM and has raided with it since 2.0.
Because some people find it unfair that WHM has suddenly been designated "casual" by Yoshi and is now stuck at the low end of the stick until perhaps 5.0.

Honestly if I can't play WHM without feeling like I'm severely handicapping my raid, I'm quitting healing. I enjoy WHM, and I want to play WHM, but it's obvious their vision for the job is crippling it.

Originally Posted by javid

Agreed with you! But to Tonberry point; bc Yoshi doesn't think healer NEED to dps; Yoshi has purposefully tuned the raids to require 0 healer dps. Meaning all healer dps is bonus for the party meeting dps checks! (some ppl find that a good thing like me! Others are mad and want healer dps to be required in the dps checks.... like maybe Tonberry).

Stating that Yoshi has purposefully tuned the raids to require 0 healer DPS may be a bit misleading. It's more accurate to say that the raid DPS checks are tuned specifically with minimum Tank and DPS role contributions taken into account (excepting the Healer role).

It's a small distinction, but I believe that it's an important one. The first statement implies to me that healers should consider themselves exempt from any contribution beyond basic healing, so sayeth the Yoshida. The second statement acknowledges that the math in raid design deliberately doesn't account for healers, leaving it up to individual parties and players to determine the optimal degree of healer DPS participation.

And here is an excerpt from another recent interview that should clarify the answer.

Yoshida: By now, I think a feeling has developed that healers have to participate in DPSing in instanced dungeons. Even if it's just a silent pressure, it is there. Because of that feeling, there were some players who may have felt anxious about joining as a healer. For someone like me who isn't focused about clear time, I'm fine as long as we can clear it. And I'll try to take things more slowly if I see someone who might be new. However, it's been getting more and more difficult for healers, which I'm sorry about. On my personal account, I play all the roles, and I like to have the feeling that I can play through instanced dungeons on my favorite role.

Since things are more serious in raiding, on the other hand, you'll definitely want to DPS for the first clear. As item levels go up and you're after repeat clears, the roles may shift. (laughs)

F: I see.

Yoshida: That said, sometimes when I'm participating in instanced dungeons, I'll queue as tank or healer because the matchmaking is so fast, but in the case of healer, although attacking itself isn't hard, I feel that the stance switching narrows the field of players who are interested in healing. When looking at the data, even though many players have healers at the appropriate job level, they won't be participating as healer. When considering the reasons for this, it seems that there are two main ones - it's too much work, and being asked to DPS.

F: There are many who feel that way.

Yoshida: So we decided to calculate healers' attack magic potency based on MND. Since you no longer need Cleric Stance, you can Holy whenever you feel like it. After stunning the enemies with Swiftcast Holy, you can then catch up with heals. With this increased level of comfort, the number of people participating in instanced dungeons as healer will definitely go up.

LOL its amazing what happens when you include the other paragraphs in the quote. Suddenly, its as if the narrative doesn't support the agenda.

Originally Posted by Mahkii

LOL its amazing what happens when you include the other paragraphs in the quote. Suddenly, its as if the narrative doesn't support the agenda.

Not really. It shows that Yoshi feels bringing healer dps to a raid can be necessary, but doesn't feel like people should be forced to do it in 4man content and that they are feeling forced even it it is silent pressure. Furthermore, he felt that changing the cleric stance mechanic would allow for more people to bring a healer since they didn't have to deal with what they considered a cumbersome mechanic. Both side of the discussion were "correct" if you will depending on the content. Maybe we as a community can come together on this now instead of both sides continuing with the do it my way attitudes.

Originally Posted by Feidam

Not really. It shows that Yoshi feels bringing healer dps to a raid can be necessary, but doesn't feel like people should be forced to do it in 4man content and that they are feeling forced even it it is silent pressure. Furthermore, he felt that changing the cleric stance mechanic would allow for more people to bring a healer since they didn't have to deal with what they considered a cumbersome mechanic. Both side of the discussion were "correct" if you will depending on the content. Maybe we as a community can come together on this now instead of both sides continuing with the do it my way attitudes.

You say not really, but I don't see where you're disagreeing with me. Maybe, you didn't understand my point. That's okay though.

Some Alexander Holy moves would be awesome for WHM, but will never happen I know