Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by bswpayton

heck they kinda nerfed warrior in a way on its self healing this whole cross role system blows

they may have but people need to calm down. We do not have the whole picture. I really wish they would have listed all the new skills so we would at least have all the info. Maybe all this doom and gloom would at least be warranted. Too many conclusions being made without all the info.

any good whm can manage their mana just fine.

WHM bleeds through mana like no other magic class except BLM. And BLM has Umbral Ice to make up for it. A sizeable chunk of WHM's resource management is tied to procs in their healing toolkit, and since the main/co-healer paradigm is dying (for good reason) and the desire for healer DPS is increasing, WHM doesn't get to fish for procs anywhere near as much, meaning its not saving as much mana as it used to, meaning its mana economy is far worse, Assize or no.

It is not as easy to manage your mana as a WHM as you'd like to think.

Meanwhile, across the street, SCH has mana-positive DPS.

So i guess i should just leave this topic, since its completely filled with "fuck all other jobs, break whatever you have to break so my job can have a raid spot again".

Well it's not as if you actually care much about inter-class balance yourself.

Originally Posted by javid

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The fairy regen is also boosted With the fairy spell that does +40% efficiency, which a lot forget about

Originally Posted by Gemina

What's not clear is why you're so against having additional AoE. Again, if it doesn't stack, so what? You would really want to save a space on your hotbar instead of having more kickass multi target spells? Your prerogative.

I also don't recall the live letter specifically saying stone IV will stack with the others. Aero 1 and 2 also will not stack with Aero 3. Are you going to demand this change to single target as a result of your philosophy as well?

RE: Stone IV stacking with I, II and III: http://imgur.com/a/TYALA

Please stop tilting at windmills.

Originally Posted by Feidam

they may have but people need to calm down. We do not have the whole picture. I really wish they would have listed all the new skills so we would at least have all the info. Maybe all this doom and gloom would at least be warranted. Too many conclusions being made without all the info.

To a degree but at the same time the system we are getting is kind of whack. Look at caster dps role skills. None of the skills have anything to do with doing damage other than lucid dream to ensure you have mp. I'm not against doing more support work but really what the hell? And why is that not on ranged dps, you know the brds and mchs who were already support? Tanks and healers basically have to just spend all their slots getting back skills they already had.

Originally Posted by Docteur_Fluttershy

The fairy regen is also boosted With the fairy spell that does +40% efficiency, which a lot forget about

I completely forget about rouse ...... so yea that 700 potency oGCD Whispering DAwn is not 980 potency every 90 sec (whispering + rouse)......but yea.... sch isn't broken....leave it as is....very fair

The discussion isnt even about scholar anyway. Yoshida already said it in a past newsletter that both WAR and SCH were above the other classes of the same type, because their toolkit are the most complete.
The actual point here is to see how they balance the new spells, and understand who loses what to gain what

Originally Posted by Docteur_Fluttershy

The discussion isnt even about scholar anyway. Yoshida already said it in a past newsletter that both WAR and SCH were above the other classes of the same type, because their toolkit are the most complete.
The actual point here is to see how they balance the new spells, and understand who loses what to gain what

the discussion IS TO ABOUT SCH...indirectly ; either they bring the other healers (whm esp) to the level of SCH or nerf that demi-god so the other healers (whm esp) becomes relevant again. MAKE WHM GREAT AGAIN!!

I always thought it would be neat for WHM to have Reraise and Faith.

Reraise! An ability with at least 280sec CD. Cast on someone, and if they die for the next 10 seconds they can revive themselves. Would take some planning and communication if in an 8 man, but I think it could be fun. Kind of counter intuitive that the higher HPS healer would let someone purposely die. But, it would be a neat panic or anti tank buster!

Faith! Increase party member's damage by 15% for 20 seconds. Basically, a safe version of Balance. It's not as good as Balance, but requires less "effort" (read: RNG) to pull off. I think that would help close the gap in utility between the two classes. Especially since the most important thing to everyone (on the forums) seems to be damage, not matter what.

Squenix isn't interested in feedback and doom saying, else they would have given us more information during the live letter. There's plenty of neat White Magics to pull awesome abilities from. I don't really understand the "pure healer" concept. If Cure heals for 100 HP and Benefic heals for 75 HP, than the enemy is only going to hit for 75 HP so that the AST is able to complete the content. Especially in a game where preventing damage dominates healing damage.