Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

There's not much we can do but await a response at this point since I think everyone's covered a lot of weaknesses WHM has:

- NO RAID UTILITY WHATSOEVER
- Contradictive Lily System
- Job Abilities turned into Role Action fodder
- Extremely based on RNG for Lilies(except Cure II) and Freecure procs.
- Overshadowed heavily by D. AST's healing output
- Identity?

This is what I've taken for the most part from this thread.

An interesting subject : https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...in_stormblood/
There are good comments.

Originally Posted by Ceasaria

An interesting subject : https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...in_stormblood/
There are good comments.

Interesting read through, thanks. I expect everyone to ignore it because it detracts from their arguments, but that was a good read through nonetheless, 10/10.

Originally Posted by Ceasaria

An interesting subject : https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...in_stormblood/
There are good comments.

I had pretty similar thoughts to this discussion thread after taking a few days of thinking the WHM tools over and over. The WHM kits has been keeping my brain going for a while since it's not overt and a lot of the subtle intricacies are rather fascinating despite the flawed approach to generating lillies. WHM's kit is poised to be the most MP efficient. AST suffered a minor nerf to their MP ability and their passive MP cost reduction isn't mirrored in their DPS kit. With a lower DoT count overall, there will be a reliance on more inefficient nuke spells which hurts SCH the most since they lost the most GCD DoTs (Shadowflare, Bio, Aero) while WHM lost the least (Aero). Between Tetra, Assize, Asylum, Plenery Indulgence, and Divine Benision; WHM gets a lot of heals that are both instant and MP free. I feel Plenery Indulgence is going to be a sleeper hit for the kit despite how much it makes so little sense with how to play healer.

If raid fights are long sustained damagefests, we might see WHM pulling ahead just on pure sustainability.

Originally Posted by Ghishlain

If raid fights are long sustained damagefests, we might see WHM pulling ahead just on pure sustainability.

While it's not impossible, it's worth noting that AST spells still cost quite a bit less than WHM ones. Over a long, sustained fight, those MP savings add up.

Originally Posted by Entilper

The right course of action in my opinion would be to give Cure 1 the 100% proc to lillies, while reverting it to 400 potency.

Personally I'd rather have stronger base heals than a high proc rate on cure. But that does go back to the problem... from what we saw, the AST heal is both stronger and cheaper.

Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Personally I'd rather have stronger base heals than a high proc rate on cure. But that does go back to the problem... from what we saw, the AST heal is both stronger and cheaper.

In my opinion, it would be better if they kept the basic heal as 400 potency and giving 100% proc for lilies, while further enhancing Cure 2 potency or lowering its MP cost. They should also revert ASTs lower MP cost.

If they keep their idea WHMs will be the only healers with a heal spell relegated to nothing.

Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

While it's not impossible, it's worth noting that AST spells still cost quite a bit less than WHM ones. Over a long, sustained fight, those MP savings add up.

This passive MP reduction used to perturb me immensely for the majority of of 3.X after the AST potency buffs and was further exacerbated by the LA buff.

Now with the way the healer kits are shaping, this passive doesn't bug me as much. Every healer seems to have their niche in terms of sustainability so we'll see how it all shapes up.

Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima

There's not much we can do but await a response at this point since I think everyone's covered a lot of weaknesses WHM has:

- NO RAID UTILITY WHATSOEVER
- Contradictive Lily System
- Job Abilities turned into Role Action fodder
- Extremely based on RNG for Lilies(except Cure II) and Freecure procs.
- Overshadowed heavily by D. AST's healing output
- Identity?

This is what I've taken for the most part from this thread.

Honestly at this point, I think it's best if we try and stop discussing the same issues in this thread.
The devs are going to look at this whenever they get it, see some 2000+ post monster, and instantly back out. At this point, we really should just wait and see.
Add as much as you can to the first page OP, that's most likely what they're going to look at as a general summary of the entire thread.