Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima

So, since we're on the topic of AST, what are its downsides?

Real question, or rhetorical towards your point?

If it's a real question, personal DPS. From the data we have, WHM will have the highest personal DPS (both AoE and single target) of all three healers. All three healers are also being brought into line of what WHM DPS is currently: Focus on nukes, weakening of DoTs (which means DPS will drop significantly for every GCD not spent DPSing, on any healer).

Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima

So, since we're on the topic of AST, what are its downsides? We already know from current discussion one of those is being erased due to Minor Arcana(Lord/Lady), so AST has a use for every card. One thing I want to think is that with the buffs given over the 3.x series, is that AST's healing potencies shouldn't outdo WHM in that category and it's generally what got WHM taken off Raid Meta in general after World 1sts. As far as I know, WHM is used for progression of content, but I wish it could be a job that can at least contest just as easily against its opposing healer(AST) for a spot. In 3.2, when AST was buffed again, I felt like there was an even balance between AST and WHM to the point that you could take either into Midas Savage and still meet checks.

We progged Creator Savage with diurnal AST and cleared a12s in the i250-i260 range. The only situation where WHM would be picked over AST is in the world first race (and that usually only takes a few days to be finished). In a world first race, your only performance measurement is the time of kill on each raid. WHM gets used to make it easier to push (brute force?) through content quickly. Afterwards, AST has everything you want.

Originally Posted by OcieKo

Oh i personally right click it. Its the part that were getting a built in one that some people macro, in part to make it easier to ditch on controller. Maybe just keep em both on the bars and flip em when we get to Minor Arcana lefel.

Try this macro:
/statusoff "Bole Drawn"
/statusoff "Balance Drawn"
/statusoff "Arrow Drawn"
/statusoff "Spear Drawn"
/statusoff "Spire Drawn"
/statusoff "Ewer Drawn"

Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Real question, or rhetorical towards your point?

If it's a real question, personal DPS. From the data we have, WHM will have the highest personal DPS (both AoE and single target) of all three healers. All three healers are also being brought into line of what WHM DPS is currently: Focus on nukes, weakening of DoTs (which means DPS will drop significantly for every GCD not spent DPSing, on any healer).

Having a lower ceiling on personal DPS means didly squat when you have The Balance. (I cleaned it up for clarity on my intent)

Originally Posted by Mahkii

Personal DPS means didly squat when you have The Balance.

Which is ultimately my point. In literally every other way... MP management, heals, raid buffs, etc... WHM is simply outclassed.

Hopefully the response we've had here on the forums means the launch version will be significantly better than what we saw.

Originally Posted by Mahkii

Try this macro:
/statusoff "Bole Drawn"
/statusoff "Balance Drawn"
/statusoff "Arrow Drawn"
/statusoff "Spear Drawn"
/statusoff "Spire Drawn"
/statusoff "Ewer Drawn"

I know the macro, just dont need it. And pretty soon it will be slow in comparison to the built in one.

Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

That's exactly what I'm saying. From people who played the media tour, Spire and Ewer were AOE effects without the use of a expanded royal road effect.
Probably done to make Ewer and Spire more desirable to us.

So take the added usefulness of these two cards, the new Minor Arcana which effectively makes every card useful in SOME way. And things like Earthly Star which takes the previously exclusive to WHM Assize, supercharges it and pumps it up to 30y which is ridiculous.
I don't know if theyre doing this on purpose, but AST seems beyond broken.

Hrmm seems nice, but overkill for the Ewer/Spire change, leads the question as to what happens when its used with AOE RR. Not saying incentive to use it as is rather than just to get AOE RR isnt good, just doesnt seem like its good in this case.

Assize does also have the 10% MP refresh on it, still not enough to justify that 900potency heal sticking on a massive radius, but enough to justify its heal being stronger when waited out, assuming its DMG doesnt surpass Assizes after further changes. Only way I can see that heal potency surviving as is would be to treat it like AOE DPS and reduce for every target hit. But declaring a main target on a ground place would either have to be intelligent or proximity based, which would make it incredibly OP or potentially worthless where its needed most depending on telegraphed aoe mechanics moving players around. Seriously dont see that 30y radius surviving tho either. Probably losing at least 10y on that.