Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

If the Devs refuse to show love to Whm because they decide to label it as "Casual Tier". I already see more incoming rage come 4.0 and 4.2.
Come on we have been getting slapped in the face almost every patch. Even during our job preview video we got slapped in the face. "Wow inspiring".. Everything shown to us, both visually and gameplay wise is just "Boring" "Lackluster"

We get hit the hardest by the Cross Role system. We got a level gap. 4.0 is supposed to be about Tank and Healer balance.

I hope for 5.0 Healers seriously get time being messed with by Yoshi. I do not want to see another segment on BLM.
In the SB video you can visually see what other classes do and you feel inspiried to play those classes, and yet for WHM at the time of the video we were shown.
-Aeros *Yay..*
-Stone *Please stop*
-Buffs that are visually uninspiring and we had no idea what they did at the time.
-Pull *why is a crossrole shown in our segment*
We had to wait a month for any info from the Embargo and some of us couldn't even respec Retainers to another Job because we got info way to late. Compare our segment in the video with other healers.
If I see another Stone.. It better be us throwing the planet.. I am pretty sure we mastered throwing rocks at this point.

Originally Posted by javid

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Im intentionally avoiding non-final numbers as much as possible. Also not a fan of the stance bonus changes on AST, was pretty fine with where they were, Im going to miss me spell speed on Diurnal. Earthly Star, I can't think of a way the 900 potency is gunna make it to the 16th so I've largely ignored it. Holdin opinion on Lord/Lady until we have better details on how their acquired and used, atm I'm still pretty in the dark on that matter, aside from DMG/Healing and 50% RNG can be gotten with Sleeve Draw (god im dreading AOE Spire draws...). Personally ive been comparing PI/Confession to Synastry, since in that format, PI is rather reliable, getting a few stacks on tanks should be pretty easy before outgearing. Half tempted to think Lady might end up taking the place of procced Cure III as opposed to PI.

Yep, we lost disable, our debuffs in general were trimmed down, AST might be winning for least reliable debuffs/CC in the game now. Pretty sure Stella got cut as well.
Keep in mind Thin Air/Presence of Mind are also more freely usable than the more condensed Lightspeed, while Thin Airs comparable is 4X stronger (no i dont think the MP reduction needs to be improved yet, waiting for MP sustain to be clear before that). Not to mention neither hurt the WHMs kit in any way. WHM pretty much lost its only self inflicted effectiveness loss with the CS changes.
Bole, and here i liked you because it felt like you understood the differences of result RNG vs. Opportunity RNG and opportunity cost, which WHM has barely got in the lily system, which it seems their trying to get rid of with no potency loss, but rather a gain, which is backwards... Another point to keep in mind,in 3.X AST doesnt have access to Eye for an Eye or Virus at all.

Just for giggles Id like to see how much WHMs would rage if Medica IIs range was brought in line with Succor/Aspected Helios and they started having problems hitting the tank and the ranged dps with it like we do.

Originally Posted by Erys

Sauce, please?

https://www.bluegartr.com/threads/13...ew-Translation

Yeah. It's meant to be an extremely strong job. I mentioned it on the producer letter live, it's a difficult job, but it has great potential.

I think it's good to have jobs included for pro players. It's a type of melee job that gets better and more capable the more you play it and get used to it - it's packed with potential

Something to note is that it seems melee in general were balanced separately. SAM is on it's own level while the rest seem to be balanced using Dragoon as the balancing point.

It's impossible to tell if that's truly the case though right now, so I won't say more in that.

Sorry for getting so off topic. Probably should have made my own topic rather than clutter up the WHM feedback thread. But I posted this in regards to WHM vs AST so...

This seems more like insecurity than a correlation. SAM is a job that has (practically) 0 raid party buffs. The idea behind SAM's design is that the raid party buffs and the potencies on SAM counterbalance each other. My predictions for SAM is that it will probably be balanced correctly, but anyone who looks more at their own performance than the group's performance will not desire a SAM in their group. On the other hand, I predict that most SAM players will not have the skill required for the justification to become valid, and this will make many players skeptical of SAM players.

All of the above is entirely different from the idea that SE would make one job harder and better than another job. SAM's competition are still good options. I don't believe that I can put WHM in the same boat as DRG/MNK/NIN. In fact, WHM should be more like SAM in this analogy. Except, I don't believe that WHM will be able to justify its design the way that SAM will. What that says to me is that if this is the direction that SE wants to take, WHM's output needs to go up significantly.

Originally Posted by OcieKo

When will you guys stop forcing the notion of Plenary Indulgence as an AOE heal, it's honestly hurting it more than its helping. The people who are calling it a bonus tetra are closer to the point, and confession (still believe this will get a proc rate increase) will refresh as long as a proc happens, as its fairly reasonable to believe that the duration stops refreshing at 3 stacks. Its going to be nice for when your hitting preyd DPS with Cure Is and need to pop a quick heal on the tank.

Also when will you accept that ALMOST ALL of ASTs healing strength is in its GCD abilities, whereas WHM its about 50/50, SCH 60/40 but their ridden with opportunity costs and the harder to calculate fairie (eos and selene great, but Embrace isnt as easy to account for in practice). Before you mention Essential Dignity (which is getting nerfed, honestly not to bithered by what they did, its mid range is safe, just its low and high ends got pinched in a bit) and Collective Unconcious (disables any other action for as long as you want the mitigation boost) WHMs have a lot more options to cover these, and after 4.X even more often usable options that can be buffed to be EVEN MORE usable options, just by CHOOSING to use GCDs to heal just like the job that is allegedy crushing your healing (someone please inform me of how to beat out assize, benediction, and asylum with my current kit, cause i know once my 2nd WHM is done the only thing keeping me from surpassing my AST main from falling behind in raw healing is a worse weapon).

Divine Benison, people have already explained how this can match Stoneskin, it seems the peeve is now the GCD isnt for Stoneskin itself but to build resources for it. IMHO Stoneskin was usually a waste of MP.

High Risk High Reward gameplay, yes it looks powerful in the good luck bubble, but apparently you havent been plagued by constant spire/spear/bole enough (ironically these cards get a lot better at these moments since you get to actually use them, assuming your trying to fill spread before royal road) and quite frankly it should, why would one gamble for the same value they put in, the allure of gambling is based on the potential to get more than once puts in, while having to have the odds of aquiring it against you. Other things you may not have noticed, its not improbable for AST to Redraw away Balance to get Ewer/Spire for Royal Road when Spread is already filled. Side not I seriously recommend practicing fishing for Spread exclusively first, as it allows more CDs to be used as opposed to just thrown away. WHM think about how often you use 2 CDs and got 100% nothing out of it because you had reason to throw the end option out.

I briefly skimmed through but stopped at one point. IMO, SCH is as OCD heavy as WHM (or more). That doesn't mean it has a low skill ceiling though. I raid on SCH btw.