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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    I know not a dev response but my thought process is basically MP sustain for healing and DPS. Assize @ 60s, Lucid Dreaming @ 90s, Thin Air @ 120s, and Freecure procs (which are not only infinitely MP efficient but will also generate Lillies for the WHM). Getting a 10% reduction to Assize's recast would mean you get to use it more often than Aetherflow (arguably - since they have Quicken Aetherflow but even that's a low proc chance).

    I have no idea how the fights will be designed but at a lark the MP kit for WHM is shaping up to the best of the three healers if current tooltips are to remain. Time will tell if that remains true or not.
    Not really. I only blow Assize on cooldown now because I'm overgeared and never need it for healing anyway. With Omega prog, you will want to keep Assize for a quick aoe heal, meaning any cooldown reduction becomes meaningless if you've already planned ahead you want Assize up for a certain mechanic. That's the fundamental issue with a lot of these changes. The devs seem to think we play reactionary when we're playing preemptively.
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    Lot of us that are new are using Cure 2 like crazy because we don't have the spell speed and it kills our mana hardcore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphyna View Post
    Am I supposed to be excited about the bolded?

    I can't tell you how infrequently I cast Cure II. It's almost nil. Regen, Medica/II, Cure (when needed), all yes. Cure II, hardly.

    You know who I see spamming Cure II? New Whm's and those whose panic. That's who.
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    The thing that hurts Whm is their lack of a dps raid buff because the only thing raiders are going to see is that Ast and Sch have those dps raid buffs and Whm doesn't.

    My fix: Add an additional effect to the lily mechanic so that it enables the use of a dps raid buff that changes in some way depending on how many lillies are up. Give said raid buff a cooldown and make it so that it won't consume your lillies. The rest of the lily mechanic should remain the same and everyone will be happy.

    I would be shocked if this exact change isn't already in effect for the launch build because it makes perfect sense.
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    Last edited by Adelaide3; 06-08-2017 at 10:27 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColdKilla View Post
    Lot of us that are new are using Cure 2 like crazy because we don't have the spell speed....
    Spell speed is a non-issue. Cure II spam without cause is generally due to a lack of familiarity with the Job and/or the content.

    That's not intended to be a criticism, by the way. Everyone starts out new.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphyna View Post
    Am I supposed to be excited about the bolded?

    I can't tell you how infrequently I cast Cure II. It's almost nil. Regen, Medica/II, Cure (when needed), all yes. Cure II, hardly.

    You know who I see spamming Cure II? New Whm's and those whose panic. That's who.
    That's what you see in ARR & HW. The whole healing game is changing come Stormblood.

    Looking at all the evidence, it appears Regen and Medica II alone will be insufficient to keep up with the incoming damage. Meanwhile, the Stone Skin is being removed. Hence, we'll have to be casting our Cure I and IIs and using Lilies, Confession, and whatever else is in our toolkit come release to keep the other characters alive.

    Think about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphyna View Post
    Oh you mean overhealing, hate generating, mp draining healing? Sounds quite lovely.
    Oh, please. If you are paying attention, and not just hitting buttons automatically, you can manage your overhealing, hate, and mana.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho View Post
    Oh, please. If you are paying attention, and not just hitting buttons automatically, you can manage your overhealing, hate, and mana.
    Asking for people to care about anything other than damage might be asking for a tad much than is reasonable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho View Post
    Oh, please. If you are paying attention, and not just hitting buttons automatically, you can manage your overhealing, hate, and mana.
    Oh you mean what SE is requesting we do to generate lillies? Cast Cure for a 20% proc or Cure II for 100%. Since as of right now these are the ONLY ways to generate lillies, you better bet your ass there will be tons of overhealing and hate pulling. Oh look, someone died. No more Stoneskin so you better get those lillies fast. Cure 2 x 3. Major incoming damage one the tank. Cure 2 x 3 again.

    I'm not going to pull the "you're not even 60 Whm" but if you don't think this system is severely flawed, you're a fool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphyna View Post
    snippy snip to even retaliate against quoted comment!
    Don't forget! Thin Air + Presence of Mind + I AM NOW THE HOLY BOMB!...and now Assize (both DPS and HEAL Aggro).

    just going tocomment this and point out that...there will be MORE aggro than ever done by WHMs. We're going to be some of the Squishiest tanks in the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphyna View Post
    Oh you mean what SE is requesting we do to generate lillies? Cast Cure for a 20% proc or Cure II for 100%. Since as of right now these are the ONLY ways to generate lillies, you better bet your ass there will be tons of overhealing and hate pulling. Oh look, someone died. No more Stoneskin so you better get those lillies fast. Cure 2 x 3. Major incoming damage one the tank. Cure 2 x 3 again.

    I'm not going to pull the "you're not even 60 Whm" but if you don't think this system is severely flawed, you're a fool.
    Thanks for not pulling the "you're not even a 60 WHM." Appreciate that.


    The system was flawed as presented. Certainly, things need to be tweaked. People have repeated stated White Mages feel weak. There's nothing that grabs the players. Meanwhile, others have pointed out all issues with the Lilies, as presented.

    But, Yoshi-san and his team have assured us that they are listening to our feedback. They certainly don't want to push all the players of White Mages away from healing, and possibly, the game. So, I'm not so pessimistic about what the future state White Mages will be.

    All the jobs are being overhauled to fit this new vision of FFXIV. We should not be so afraid of change that we naysay everything that is presented to us.
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    Last edited by Kacho_Nacho; 06-07-2017 at 07:01 PM.

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