Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

**javid** · 06-04-2017 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by joannaluttrell

Cure I and Cure II are the least efficient for both mana and time. They are NOT the "most efficiently used skills". You can keep claiming they are all you want, the math says otherwise. Period.

you are still losted........... where in my post do I say cures are most efficient in TIME? OR MP?????? YOU'RE ASSSUUUMMMINGGGGGGGG the definition of "efficiency"...

~~While I didn't make clear my definition of "efficiency" in the first post~~.... NEVERRR DID I SUGGEST EFFICIENT WAS IN TIME NOR IN MP. if you read the second post, in response to the nay sayers, you'll find MY DEFINTION of "efficiency", which isn't based on time nor mp...

The math is in front of you and you're choosing to ignore it in order to make an invalid point.....AGAIN....REREAD MY POST.....NEVVVEEEEERRRRR do I suggest cures are more TIME efficient nor do I suggest MP efficient.................I make plain that Cure I and Cure II are the most POTENCY efficiently used! MEANING of all the skills we use, the ones that actually contribute the max potency available that particular skill; CURE I AND CURE II are at the top of the charts.....those are facts.....

**Lambdafish** · 06-04-2017 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by javid

YOU'RE ASSSUUUMMMINGGGGGGGG the definition of "efficiency"...

If this were a less serious forum, this would be made into a mocking spongebob meme in a heartbeat...

What your definition of efficient is and the actual definition of efficient is are two different things.

**Saigo** · 06-04-2017 11:56 PM

So funny to so much ppl don't understand anything about their own main job. Keep feeding me with your tears and your lack of intuition please. ♥

**Yhximott** · 06-04-2017 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by javid

Cure has more potency if all you do is spam it for 30 seconds, never using any other spell.

This is the argument you've been making this whole time, and it's actually accurate. Spamming expensive, slow, single target heals is, in fact, the most potent healing, but it is not the most efficient, or the most common. WHM's cast regens, and pop instas. In between, we single target heal and DPS. This is the way we play. It simply is.

**javid** · 06-04-2017 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by joannaluttrell

Cure I and Cure II are the least efficient for both mana and time. They are NOT the "most efficiently used skills". You can keep claiming they are all you want, the math says otherwise. Period.

Irrelevant. Nothing I said claimed your # of casts was wrong.

Their function is to heal, so that is exactly what I demonstrated.

Pineapple, stick, water, dog. The words are english but combined they mean nothing... much like the words above.

You are the definition of a person unable to have a disagreement without being insulting... enjoy your game. GG

**Cynfael** · 06-04-2017 11:57 PM

I'm hesitant to even touch this mess this morning, but let's do bullet points.

- Are we really trying to debate the meaning of "efficiency?" I wasn't aware that this term was so subjective....

- Even taking into account logs with Cures for one Savage fight, has there been a coherent, compelling case for the Lilies etc.? What I'm seeing over the past few pages is largely non-sequitur ranting about DPS and debate about Cure usage.

Even if we end up casting 50 Cures in a fight, how relevant do we expect our flower power to be? Then what about the content where Cures are much less in demand? Again, the Lilies seem pretty crap no matter which angle you take.

**javid** · 06-04-2017 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by Yhximott

This is the argument you've been making this whole time, and it's actually accurate. Spamming expensive, slow, single target heals is, in fact, the most potent healing, but it is not the most efficient, or the most common. WHM's cast regens, and pop instas. In between, we single target heal and DPS. This is the way we play. It simply is.

that's a nice summary. However potent healing or efficient is matter of semantics. if you asked the question which of the skills used is most efficiently uses their max potency? That right there would be a measure of EFFICIENCY.

Trolls coming out of the woodworks to argue points that don't make sense.....

So guys are telling me Effective Potency/Max Potency isn't a measure of efficiency???? I'm not allowed to say efficiency??????? If this isn't a measure of efficiency?? what is it??????

**Saigo** · 06-05-2017 12:01 AM

In fact it's not that simple due to the lack of communication skill of some ppl.

"Efficiency" is the core of the debate but some ppl don't understand that "Efficiency" depends on the flow of the fight and not just about "time, mp or potency"

**MintnHoney** · 06-05-2017 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by Reiryuu

You can keep the Spear. And you forget, Minor Arcana and Sleeve Draw are going help you a lot when it comes to your RNG mechanics. But you're right... WHM in its proposed state does need all the help it can get. That's what this thread is for... hopefully. And while I'm sure many of us wouldn't mind constructive criticism to our plight, cynically made up crap certainly isn't going to help anyone.

I'm 98% sure you don't understand what "cynical" means. But I'm glad we agree: you have a problem, and it needs to be addressed.
If you read past the joking in my original post, I have added my support, and will continue to do so.

Originally Posted by Yhximott

There I fixed it for you.

If you believe that you're "helping" more than you're hurting your cause, by all means, continue to prove that you're all, in fact, not just whining because someone else "has a prettier dress" rather than complaining because you "have no dress at all" by behaving like this. I'm sure Square Enix will respond with utmost haste and take you very seriously. I know I am.

Originally Posted by Vaelin

I wish we had more Water-aspected spells for White Mage. Black mage makes great use of their 3 primary elements (Fire, Ice and Thunder) but we only just stick with Earth and Wind. Fluid Aura and Esuna is the exception but... lol.
Give us a flashy water spell SE! Water is such an underused element and to get the chance to see Flood or something similar would be beyond awesome.

Ironically, I think Divine Benison might have been been an attempt at using the Water element.. At least, it feels like it. If they would just increase it's efficacy, or ease of use, it could probably be a suitable replacement for Stoneskin, with a nicer animation and aesthetic.

**Cynfael** · 06-05-2017 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by javid

that's a nice summary. However potent healing or efficient is matter of semantics. if you asked the question which of the skills used is most efficiently uses their max potency? That right there would be a measure of EFFICIENCY.

Potency and efficiency are far from mutually inclusive. Hence why Cure spells are inherently less efficient in terms of GCDs and MP consumption vs. output despite their far greater potency per cast vs. Regen, for example.

If we're talking about overhealing, that is largely within the player's control. Naturally Medica II often overheals since it applies a regen effect to the entire party.

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