Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by Reiryuu

While we're making stuff up, let's make AST's new Sleeve Draw and Minor Arcana abilities work on a 20% chance proc from Benefic or Benefic 2, give WHM and SCH access to Bole, Ewer, Balance, Spire and Arrow. And just for kicks and giggles, WHM's version of the balance is 25% instead of 20%.

Oh. While we're at it, let's move Nocturnal stance to level 66... just because we can. Congratulations! ASTs are now WHMs.

Don't forget that Aspected Benefic has a 1 minute cooldown while in Noct.

Originally Posted by Yhximott

Hey SE, Go check this out.

i think the only thing i don't care for in this is the "Arise" timer, I think a 3-4 min cool down would be better.

"But Dante! that's unfair! "Has anyone been running Dun Scaithe lately? No? Red Orbs, Shadethrust, Hands...Or, the big one from Weeping City: Ozma. I can name a dozen skills the bosses throw at us that this would come in handy..and seeing as unless it's dire, a person stays down until swiftcast is up for a raise, 3-4 min puts 3-4 raises in the middle of this.

The loss of Stoneskin will hit WHM hard, for a 66 gated 60s shield. we need our shield or we're very likely to run a risk of being kicked from DF groups, or get utterly insulted in chat with "Ur Lucky i don't have a Vote Kick, go play AST or SCH". There have already been incidents where WHM Mains have been...i won't say 'made' but 'highly pressured' to change to AST because they heal better/faster than WHM.

I'm sure if we look at the Savage clears, the number of WHMs in those groups will be very low, as most groups already decidedly shun WHMs as it is, no matter how good they might be. the changes, overall to WHM, as many have stated are Lackluster, akin to the WORST card that AST gets (and just uses for Fodder with a disgusted face every time it comes up).

Originally Posted by Reiryuu

While we're making stuff up,

You seem to be under this impression that the Astrologian's haven't had to deal with RNG with regards to their job's identity thus far, as if it weren't already built in, or that your job is the only one that's had to deal with this sort of problem. In fact, we have, and we've thrived. The same could be forethought with regards to the White Mage's brand new, tacked on performance enhancers: it may not be what you would like, but your Job can still play through the game successfully, and you'll likely thrive later on as revisions and updates to the game are made while content is released that proves its worth.

I'm sorry you're having a hard time with all of this, but I think you'll have a better time achieving change by not antagonizing people who are also attempting to agree with you and propose change in your benefit, including Square Enix.

Incidentally, you forgot about the Spear. If you're going to get cynical, do include everything. After all, you seem to need all the help you can get.

Originally Posted by MintnHoney

You seem to be forgetting that AST works as intended, gaining a great deal of power and utility in exchange for the lack of control. So stop complaining about a completely backwards and disruptive RNG factor being added to WHM because RNG is a thing in the game sometimes.

There I fixed it for you.

I wish we had more Water-aspected spells for White Mage. Black mage makes great use of their 3 primary elements (Fire, Ice and Thunder) but we only just stick with Earth and Wind. Fluid Aura and Esuna is the exception but... lol.
Give us a flashy water spell SE! Water is such an underused element and to get the chance to see Flood or something similar would be beyond awesome.

Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

So true. This goes over a lot of people's heads and that's a shame.

This approach by SE emphasizing Cure I and II is just so confusing. We will be using our most inefficient heals to proc lilies and confession. How does that compare to what we are doing now in terms of efficiency and output? Can someone far brighter than me do some napkin math?

I don't know who's head you're referring to...... b/c I just detailed exact META reason for what he's saying BEFORE noticing his post.....Some how FFXIV community can't have a discussion/disagreement without insulting each other in the process....GG :P

Originally Posted by Saraphin

i think the only thing i don't care for in this is the "Arise" timer, I think a 3-4 min cool down would be better.

Comparing it to other skills in the game, and with bene having its cast time shortened, I think the magic number for arise is 7 minutes, exactly the same as hallowed ground, thats gives you one use per fight, two if you are lucky. Arise is esstentially a do-over, making it as though you never died (DPS loss aside), and that is too powerful to be casting more than twice per fight.