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  1. #1211
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    Renard Lefeuvre
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    Yojimbo
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    Alchemist Lv 90
    I actually really love pure healing but even if that is the case (and I doubt it would be as DF cannot force the presence of certain jobs) there's still the problem that we have even fewer tools; I already take SCH or AST to my FC's undersized/min ilv runs because WHM can't contribute as much as either and this is just going further in that direction; my WHM is relegated to PVP or faceroll content where I can DPS. Plus, if it was mandatory you would think they'd add some fun new stuff to encourage people to play it and not jump ship to jobs which actually offer something new other than a tedious-sounding RNG resource management mini game on top of our existing RNG resource management mechanics. Healing unnecessarily to fish for random things which make us even stronger at unnecessary overhealing just can't get me excited mechanically.
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  2. #1212
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    Aoi Kitsune
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    Ragnarok
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    I joined the forums to add my voice to this list. I love WHM, I know it's not considered meta but it's the job I chose when I started the game and I am very attached to it. Please, SE, make some changes before Stormbloods release. The changes to WHM are not fun at all and have left me less excited to start my Stormblood adventure.
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  3. #1213
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    Dodogamo Bobogamo
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    Shiva
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    Does anyone knows what's happen in japanese forums? Are they frustrated too about how they want to implement whm?

    I really hope they change something till Stormblood...
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  4. #1214
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    ColorOfSakura's Avatar
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    Aerik Tirel
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    Mateus
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by RaizeGraymalkin View Post
    It ASTOUNDS me that people give the OP the time of day considering all his threads.
    Regardless of his past posting history, this post is well thought out, relevant, and accurate to exactly what's happening with White Mage in Stormblood. He's 100% right.
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  5. #1215
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    Edda Eglantine
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    Balmung
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    Botanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Epo View Post
    I'm not ignoring his "facts,"
    That's exactly what you're doing, and you know it.

    He's not wrong. Past posting aside, it's the truth. While yes, things may change come expansion day, it's still very likely that what he has said will remain true for quite some time. WHM cannot maintain high single target DPS AND heal indefinitely, so even though their personal DPS might be a biiiiit higher than the other healers, it is simply not enough to make up for the fact that it absolutely cannot compete with AST buffs and SCH utility. So no, their damage will not be on par with whatever buffs the healers get... whatever it was you said. It probably still wouldn't be even if they nerfed Balance to 5%.
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  6. #1216
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    Wynne Yilmaz
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    Gilgamesh
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by MomomiMomi View Post
    But Ama didn't change it. The source is reddit. And the person who posted it on reddit posted a link to the source for that.
    ^

    If anyone would be at fault, it would be the OP of the reddit thread I linked. And even then he gave a proper link to the original comic that he didn't claim to own.

    Now can we drop this sub-thread about content ownership?
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    I was the Almighty Enkidu for April Fools 2017.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beckett View Post
    To be fair, it's not so much a flame war as it's 12 pages of people agreeing the OP is an idiot.

  7. #1217
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    Shiru Elysia
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Can't say since I don't know japanese, but I'm sure they are saying the same thing about lilies and confessions based on spam cure to proc.
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  8. #1218
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    Aura Ayase
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    Hyperion
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by fantasticm View Post
    That's exactly what you're doing, and you know it.

    He's not wrong. Past posting aside, it's the truth. While yes, things may change come expansion day, it's still very likely that what he has said will remain true for quite some time. WHM cannot maintain high single target DPS AND heal indefinitely, so even though their personal DPS might be a biiiiit higher than the other healers, it is simply not enough to make up for the fact that it absolutely cannot compete with AST buffs and SCH utility. So no, their damage will not be on par with whatever buffs the healers get... whatever it was you said. It probably still wouldn't be even if they nerfed Balance to 5%.

    WHM cannot maintain high single target dps and heal indefinitely? Why not? Mana? It seems like mana won't be much of an issue in this patch.
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  9. #1219
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    Renard Lefeuvre
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    Yojimbo
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    Alchemist Lv 90
    The Japanese forums are significantly less dramatic than ours in general, but there are plenty of concerns mentioned by WHM mains at how underwhelming we're going to be.
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  10. #1220
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    J'talhdi Belhi
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    Bismarck
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Epo View Post
    I'm not ignoring his "facts," I'm saying that just by him responding indicates to me that whm is doing fine =/ Not using his name against him, just what I've learned to expect. I don't parse so I really don't know if what he's saying is true, nor do I feel like figuring out how to use FFlogs. I'm not saying he's lying or wrong, I'm just saying I can't take him at his word.
    Then take me at my word. What he is saying is true and frankly your math doesn't even come close to adding up.

    WHM dps doesn't even come close to competing with the damage benefits of Balance evne now and our dps isn't going to be that much higher than theirs in SB particularly when you factor in their new skills. Lord cards alone are going to mitigate a lot of the single target damage advantage we have and Aero 3 is our only benefit in AoE since Gravity does the same damage as Holy. Lets just say a AST casts Balance on a BLM without any royal road. That is 20% of that BLMs dps increased. At the moment a BLM should be pulling well above 2000. Lets just say its a lame BLM who in current high level gear can only pull 2000. That is a 400 dps increase onto the groups dps. That is a non royal roaded Balance. A royal roaded one would be adding over 1000dps. You really think WHM damage output is going to be high enough above ASTs to make up for that?

    Further, without good RNG WHM healing isn't even that far beyond ASTs and is generally less easy to use. Earthly Star can heal for twice what Assize does the moment it is cast and will heal for 3 times Assize's heal if it has been cast for ten seconds. None of WHM's healer mechanics proc unless they are spamming Cure or Cure 2. If your dpsing your not procing those heals.
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    Last edited by Belhi; 06-02-2017 at 07:24 PM.

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