Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

For those that keep saying "Oh lilies are a bonus!! Just play the way you're playing "

SMNs get Bahamut (Their potency changes is a can of worms I don't know and don't wanna open, but hey Bahamut),
Warriors get 6x fell cleaves,
AST have super Cure III and no useless cards anymore,
and so on.

So are you saying, when everybody else gets cool stuff to play with, WHM getting "Oh getting Lily/Confession procs are a bonus!!" (and Thin Air I guess), is good enough?

I'm usually on the side of "wait and see it with my own eyes", but instead of vague descriptions like "WHMs can now get lilies when they use their healing spells, and the lilies can be used for beneficial buffs", we have hard cold print-screen-ed tooltips that state how we gather and what these lilies do (and they suck).

I admit, they may change it at release, hell they may have already changed it as of now, but unless SE comes out and says something about it, I do not know, and since there's still 2 weeks before the release of SB, if people are loud enough, we may get tweaks for it at release, instead of leaving it dead in the water for 2 weeks (Referencing 3.07 where AST got considerably boosted).

Originally Posted by DreamWeaver

For those that keep saying "Oh lilies are a bonus!! Just play the way you're playing "

SMNs get Bahamut (Their potency changes is a can of worms I don't know and don't wanna open, but hey Bahamut),
Warriors get 6x fell cleaves,

Last I checked, WAR and SMN are not healer roles.

Originally Posted by DreamWeaver

AST have super Cure III and no useless cards anymore,
and so on.

You do know that WHM can now not only raise a player faster, they can also do it more often, and also do it without costing MP. I don't play AST, so please do feel free to compare its likeness here. I actually want to know since I will level it eventually. Oh wait... Cure III, right? WHM's can also chain cast this without cost to MP should the situation call for it. Are the cards still RNG? Again, I don't know. But I do know that as WHM, I can use presence of mind along with Thin air to whip out restorative or offensive spells in a blink of an eye. That is Haste + MP = 0 cost to abilities, which in this franchise have always been two of the strongest to possess. Each are game changers, and WHM possesses both of them.

I think in the near future after we see how things spread out, it might be possible for WHM to add utility by spreading these abilities to other members, i.e MP and TP reduction, along with decreased recast times. Some bosses are just like, "For the love of God why do you have so much HP? Please kill him. Someone please kill him!" In these situations, knowing that you are reducing everyone else's CDs along with your own, might help bring such fights to a close faster before poor WHM go OoM.

Originally Posted by Epo

If a WHM does DPS while heal, I can imagine that the amount of damage they'll output will be on par of whatever buffs the other healers get + their own dps.

This isn't even true right now and won't magically be true in 4.0

And guess what? ASTs and SCHs have better non-damage-related support/buffs than WHM.

So even if ASTs don't have Balance or Arrow and SCHs don't have crit buff, people will still take AST/SCH.

1. AST's Lightspeed buff allows for easy movement while casting Aspected Helios instantly

2. AST's Noct Aspected Benefic is an instant 170% shield (about to be 300%)

3. AST's Collective Unconscious is a 10% damage reduction AND a raid-wide 150 potency/tick regen...

4. which can be extended by AST's Celestial Opposition, which also extends all AST buffs on all party members

5. ASTs can use Bole on tanks, and can provide MP/TP regen when needed (and about to be automatically raid-wide without having to use Expanded Royal Road).

6. ASTs can even use Time Dilation to extend beneficial effects on a party member.

7. SCHs have Fey Covenant which reduces incoming magic damage by 20% for 20s (or 15s, forgot).

8. SCHs can spread high potency shields in the form of crit adlo to other nearby party members for insane mitigation (spreading a shield on a Convalescence Warrior with Mantra active can outright nullify boss ultimates/damage intensive phases like Mega Holys in several raids)

9. SCHs have an instant-cast and 0-MP Assize (Indomitability) that is on a much shorter cooldown.

10. SCHs have Sacred Soil that can reduce incoming raid-wide damage by 10% during damage intensive phases if Indom isn't safe enough (especially useful during prog, but theoretically Sacred Soil is usually a waste of Aetherflow, but hey, safety > speed when you haven't cleared yet).

11. SCHs can apply Virus which greatly mitigates incoming raid-wide damage or tankbusters (about to be removed though).

12. SCHs can also opt to use raid-wide Esuna (in the form of Fey Caress), which is useful in fights like Deathgaze Hollow (is there a Hollow in its name? I don't recall).

Originally Posted by Skyrior

This isn't even true right now and won't magically be true in 4.0

Except it's only not true right now because WHM runs out mana, which likely won't be the case come 4.0. So it won't magically be true, but it could very well be logically true come 4.0
it only wouldn't be if they changed the raiding meta which would just also likely work in WHM's favor anyway.

Originally Posted by Epo

Except it's only not true right now because WHM runs out mana, which likely won't be the case come 4.0. So it won't magically be true, but it could very well be logically true come 4.0
it only wouldn't be if they changed the raiding meta which would just also likely work in WHM's favor anyway.

1. No it isn't even true right now even if you don't consider mana. WHM's sustained single-target DPS is in the vicinity of 1700~1900 in BiS before mana runs out, which is at best 100~200 DPS above SCH/AST.

2. A single Astrologian Expanded Balance buff is at least worth 1500 DPS in an average group. It's much more than that when done in the opener.

3. It wouldn't even work in WHM's favor if the fights are healing-intensive because ASTs are going to have better raw healing than WHM.

You can, of course, argue that 100~200 > 1500 in your alternate universe with a different set of mathematical rules.