Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by Reiryuu

Well we kinda need to keep those since SCH and AST both have shield equivalents of their own. Question will be-- will they give us the old Graniteskin trait back... probably not T_T;

We apparently get a shield from the job action bar (the flower thingy), but how often that one can be used is still open. Not often, would be my guess.

Originally Posted by basketofseals

This sure is a lot of doomsaying for things we have minimal details on.

Again, Yoshi P said: 1) The role hasn't changed much. 2) They want it to be a Pure Healer. 3) It hasn't received as much reworking as the other jobs. If nothing is changing... that means everything is staying the same and that's not what a lot of people feel WHM needed. Unless SCH and AST are nerfed to the ground which is probably not happening.

Originally Posted by Kabzy

It's not looking great for WHM, I do agree with that, but there was a time when WHM was able to surpass the utility that ASTs brought with its raw power. And there is no info out there to prove that the same cannot happen again. I'm pretty sure the devs acknowledged that AST in its current state is over-buffed, but it was done to get more people playing the job. So I'm pretty sure some utility from the other healers will be tuned down (balance especially) to negate a job being completely singled out.

Please do remember that the WHM struggle only really began after 3.3/3.4. No one complained about the lack of utility until they kept on giving ASTs buff after buff.

It won't happen again because Square wants all healers to be able to clear all content. That's why AST got overbuffed like that in the first place. That, in my eyes, also somewhat precludes WHM being able to overcome their lack of providing anything beside healing and dps, two things every other healer can do just as well or even better, and actually being considered for raid slots. Because if there's nothing there on WHM's end, it doesn't really matter if the utility of other classes is toned down, WHM simply won't be able to catch up with their complete lack of it. Also, since WHM looses the most skills to the new role skill system, they are also the most shafted in their choices there, since the skills the others had to take up will still be taken up, while WHM will struggle to get all the essential old skills, and will have no place for the new ones. As I see it know, I, for example, will have a hard time even fitting the new Cleric's stance in there, which will hamper my ability to dps, which, in turn, will push me down even further...

A SCH will likely still take up Protect (formerly WHM ability) and Swiftcast; then likely E4E (the only skill they lost from their original kit, though it simply replaces Stoneskin or Aero...) and Esuna, and the last slot I currently can't think of, probably the MP reg depending on what they do with Aetherflow. Everything else will likely be not as important, though they could swap out E4E or Esuna depending on their partner, maybe.
WHM, to keep their old function alone, will have to take up Protect, Swiftcast, Esuna, Cleric's Stance and Lucid Dream... simply to get the skills back that they lost, except for Swift which is so essential that it could well be a WHM native skill (or of any healer, for that matter). So, with this comparison alone, SCH needs to choose two skills from that list to function as they did before without cross class taken in, while WHM needs to choose... 5. GREAT choice, really. Oh, wait, I completely forgot they would also need Divine Seal back. That would make 6 abilities, meaning we loose out no matter what we do. GG.
And AST? What does AST have to choose to function as before? Ony Lucid Dream and Esuna, maybe Seal depending on if they chance their own heal increase, and that's it, the rest can be chosen more or less freely, just like SCH.

Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

Everything else will likely be not as important, though they could swap out E4E or Esuna depending on their partner, maybe.

Depending on the encounter, sch already has esuna. Fey caress. Long cooldown yes, but if there's not a lot of stuff to get rid of they could really even consider dropping esuna without actually losing anything.

Originally Posted by KarstenS

Just in theory.

When looking into fflogs creator savage clears (I only looked into the old ones, not the diadem and echo resets), the amount of whitemages is still between AST (the lowest one) and SCH (the highest one).

So just by looking into statistics, there was no reason for SE to change much.

hm i dont see any whm in these groups..