Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by fujiwuji

I've gained the impression that those sorts of players are concerned about challenging content to the exclusion of all else, including actually enjoying themselves playing a video game. I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but for myself, I find the normal content enough of a challenge as it is. I find it hard to believe the sky is falling simply because my favored WHM doesn't have the new, shiny toys of AST and SCH.

All right. I'll bite. So tell me. Why would you take a WHM/SCH over SCH/AST or a WHM/AST over SCH/AST? SCH/AST can heal perfectly fine because they have to be able to be in order to perform their main role- healing. Besides that, both have utility AST has its card buffs including everyone's favorite Unbalance, and SCH has shields, fairy buffs, and all that (I actually forgot all that SCH has because I never really liked the job so I don't play it >,<; )

Originally Posted by fujiwuji

I've gained the impression that those sorts of players are concerned about challenging content to the exclusion of all else, including actually enjoying themselves playing a video game. I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but for myself, I find the normal content enough of a challenge as it is. I find it hard to believe the sky is falling simply because my favored WHM doesn't have the new, shiny toys of AST and SCH.

Well, sorry to break it to you, but... class balancing doesn't really matter in, say, Gubal (HM) because literally every class/team composition can clear that, so of course we are mostly concerned about high-end content where something like that actually matters. Yet, many people, like me for example, love their class and want it to stay relevant in this kind of content.

Originally Posted by Reiryuu

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And why would you assume WHM is irrelevant when you have no solid info to back it up? Have you got early access to the tooltips or something? :'D

Originally Posted by Kabzy

And why would you assume WHM is irrelevant when you have no solid info to back it up? Have you got early access to the tooltips or something? :'D

I was around when the game went from 2.0 to 3.0.

But Yoshi P said himself on the live stream: "WHM hasn't really changed at all. We wanted to keep it as a pure healer." That pretty much tells you all you need to know and he said the same thing regarding AST and SCH (minus the pure healer bit)

Wait... I didn't see any mention in the live letter of stoneskin being removed...

In fact... since I didnt see Stoneskin on the shared role action list, it seems like Stoneskin and Stoneskin II will be exclusive to WHM in 4.0

Originally Posted by Kabzy

And why would you assume WHM is irrelevant when you have no solid info to back it up? Have you got early access to the tooltips or something? :'D

Because unless they make some radical change to the performance of whm there's no indication they're getting the one thing they need to fill a spot in a raid over a ast or sch. FF14 is still decently steeped in FF tradition and nothing indicates heals are suddenly going to do party damage buffs. Without that whm has no answer to cards or fey wind. Without an answer to those skills there's little reason to pick a whm or a sch or ast.

Originally Posted by Yorumi

Because unless they make some radical change to the performance of whm there's no indication they're getting the one thing they need to fill a spot in a raid over a ast or sch. FF14 is still decently steeped in FF tradition and nothing indicates heals are suddenly going to do party damage buffs. Without that whm has no answer to cards or fey wind. Without an answer to those skills there's little reason to pick a whm or a sch or ast.

And they already said there are NO major changes to WHM, so...

Originally Posted by Kabzy

Except you know nothing of the changes they will make to the existing actions of the other healers. So again, there's no reason for anyone to complain already. I was also there at the start of 3.0. AST still had the utility, yet it was irrelevant until around 3.3 - 3.4. So until we can see solid info on the entire kit of the three healers, you can't assume WHM will be irrelevant.

WHM will be balanced around the healers, not just itself and expecting it to be buffed to God tier. So you need to look outside the box and wait until we get info on ALL three healers.

- Yoshi said something like "We want WHM to be more of a pure healer"

That alone is reason enough to be very, very concerned. If that's not enough:

- Also said something about no major overhauls to the class like some of the others had.

Or look at this for everything.

Unless they take away a lot of the support the others can give, which I'm 100% sure they won't do, it looks pretty bad.

Originally Posted by Nicodemus_Mercy

Wait... I didn't see any mention in the live letter of stoneskin being removed...

In fact... since I didnt see Stoneskin on the shared role action list, it seems like Stoneskin and Stoneskin II will be exclusive to WHM in 4.0

Well we kinda need to keep those since SCH and AST both have shield equivalents of their own. Question will be-- will they give us the old Graniteskin trait back... probably not T_T;