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    Transient_Shadow's Avatar
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    Flutter Butter
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    Malboro
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    Scholar Lv 90

    Phoenix down should be combat ready!

    Like the title says I think phoenix down is currently little more than a courtesy rez for our fellows in the field. It has so much wasted potential! Imagine your any non healer class that isn't a summoner. you can now rez your healer just in time! Or maybe help your healer out by rezing that blm or dragoon that keeps dying.

    Considering it can't stack and it has a long cast time I don't feel this is op at all. It would be one use per dungeon and a great help. Instead of being that item you use to rez your best friend who just started.
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    Sida Bajihri
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    Phoenix
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    White Mage Lv 100
    I actually agree with this. Since it doesn't stack and is unique, the amount a party could have of them would still keep in check but it could actually have some crisis management use on dungeon runs. You still couldn't habitually keep ressing a healer who has tendency to die, but maybe avoid that one "wtf just happened" wipe with good reacting. Maybe keep this behaviour out of PvP, not sure of that kind of balance.
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    Jordan O'niell
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    Gilgamesh
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    +1 /10 char
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    Daiki Kiyoshi
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    /signed. Can we also get the ability to use potions / antidotes and the like on other people and not just ourselves while we're at it?
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    Anrui Mydia
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    Hyperion
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    Warrior Lv 100
    I agree with this as well. They could simply add a cooldown to the player who was raised with a Phoenix Down if they want to prevent abuse of it in Raid content. Make it so if you're Raised with a Phoenix Down you can't be Raised with another for like 3 minutes or something. That seems fair enough because players shouldn't be depending on them but having them as an emergency backup would be nice.
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    Verrine Mercer
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    Balmung
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    Samurai Lv 86
    Personally I'd prefer them to stack than to be used in combat.

    Also I can see future parties leaving the instance after every wipe to pick up another phoenix down. If you're going to be expected to use them in combat, than they should stack.
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    J'talhdi Belhi
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    Bismarck
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    I think making rezing that easy would be something they wouldn't want to do for the sake of balance.

    I would also point out that unless they have swiftcast off cd it takes 6 seconds to cast a raise so rezing isn't trivial, particularly during high damage periods. Would you still be as interested in Phoenix Down for combat if it actually had a raise cast time on it's use?
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    Loki Lux
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    Lamia
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    Gunbreaker Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Belhi View Post
    I think making rezing that easy would be something they wouldn't want to do for the sake of balance.

    I would also point out that unless they have swiftcast off cd it takes 6 seconds to cast a raise so rezing isn't trivial, particularly during high damage periods. Would you still be as interested in Phoenix Down for combat if it actually had a raise cast time on it's use?
    I think so, I can think of times a healer could LB3 to save the whole party but goes down first on accident. having someone else raise that healer would be nice. even with a cast time, a good dps or tank could rez a healer for a save.

    I think Down shouldn't stack, it should be last resort only.
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    Ratithgar Jovasch
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    Sargatanas
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    Paladin Lv 90
    If it was combat use, it would probably need to stack and be more easily gettable. Otherwise, every time you wipe a prog raid you go run PotD to restock. :P
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    Sida Bajihri
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    Phoenix
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    Or buy them from MB with 14 gil ...
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