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[Hasrat]

but obviously SE thinks everyone in America lives on the west coast.

Or they maybe think not everybody in NA lives in the US.

[Gumbercules]

yeah i had cd usage issues at times and double weave issues and im sure the biggest culprit was packet loss, could sometimes be in the 20-30% range before. (and apparently that is why i had mana issues with blm and mana usage not tallying up right)
Admittedly servers just came back up so will see if it changes "dramatically" but atm seems im at 0% loss so that is a considerable upgrade for me personally.

[ChocoFeru]

Isn't it temporary anyways? I remember EU servers being a bit unstable at first, then corrected it's ping back to normal.

Give it a day or two!

[Hasrat]

Isn't it temporary anyways? I remember EU servers being a bit unstable at first, then corrected it's ping back to normal.

Give it a day or two!

Shhhh. We all know nobody in this game is patient enough for that. Every millisecond counts!

[Jetstream_Fox]

Or they maybe think not everybody in NA lives in the US.

The only countries that beneft from the server being in California outside of the entire western part of the US, is Mexico and the western part of Canada. They could of picked Kansas or Dallas, two of the biggest Network Hubs in the US which is conveniently located in the center of the country and it would have served people more equal. Or you know maybe done the smart thing and create a West Coast server and a East Coast server. But if in the case of EU players playing on NA getting mad about ping, that's solely their fault, that's like a Verizon customer crying about service because their unlocked phone is connected to Sprints network.

[Hunty]

I'm going to sound selfish here, but I don't care about complaints from EU players. They CHOSE to play outside of their region even though they have their own data center. NA data center should be about what is convenient for NA players, not EU players. You have your own data center for a reason.

Not that I am happy about the move and do agree the choice of location is poor, but I suggest one takes a look at a world map before coming down on EU players. I'm an EU player and have played since 1.0 and thus chose to stay with the legacy server I was on, along with the many friends I had made. The simple fact is any 1.0 player knows (I'll assume the ignorance pouring out of you means you are not one) that although this move is not ideal, it's still nothing like when the servers were in Japan and people should be glad of this. To give a summary, if you think the server move brought them closer to EU, I suggest geographically educating yourself.

[DJaySaint]

Not that I am happy about the move and do agree the choice of location is poor, but I suggest one takes a look at a world map before coming down on EU players. I'm an EU player and have played since 1.0 and thus chose to stay with the legacy server I was on, along with the many friends I had made. The simple fact is any 1.0 player knows (I'll assume the ignorance pouring out of you means you are not one) that although this move is not ideal, it's still nothing like when the servers were in Japan and people should be glad of this. To give a summary, if you think the server move brought them closer to EU, I suggest geographically educating yourself.

Not sure if daft or trying too hard to be insulting and edgy, but here goes:

1. I don't care about your ping. You are EU. You said it yourself, you CHOSE to play on NA servers when you have EU servers that are specifically for you to play on. The NA data centers are for us, not you. Your convenience doesn't matter because you have a data center in EU for a reason. You don't get to complain. Any issues you have with the NA data center move are your own fault for staying on NA. Any subsequent issues you have due to your choice, are in fact YOUR choice. You don't want to move data centers because friends? Fine. Nobody is making that choice but you. Accept any penalties that come with it. You are not the target customer with the NA data center move. I am.

2. Who cares about 1.0? This isn't 1.0. We're getting in to 4.0. What the server status was like back then is irrelevant. What matters is the status they are NOW. And now, on MY OWN data center, my ping has more than quadrupled. I went from having 20-30 to having about 120-150. People say it's "playable"? That's nice if you accept being mediocre. If anyone says the game is the same at 20-30 ping vs 150, they are stupid or delusional, or clearly accept a life of "good enough" and mediocrity. Just because others are ok with not being the best they can possibly be doesn't mean we have to be as well. Regardless, on EU servers I get 90-100. NA I now get 120-150. Something is WRONG there, and arguing differently just makes you ignorant. I shouldn't have to move outside of my region just to have a better play experience.

3. I never said they were closer to EU. Fail to read much? I said MY ping and everyone who collectively lives on the East Coast and Northern US has BETTER ping on EU data center than our NA ones.

The problem is OUR ping, the US players on the East Coast and Northern US, is WORSE in our own data center than that of another region. That should NEVER be the case. I don't care if they are worse for you. You did that to yourself by choosing to remain outside of your region. We did not. We are playing in our own region and now worse off for it. That was not our choice. Now if I were playing on the EU data center and that got moved and made my ping worse? I can't complain, because that is my own fault for playing on EU, and EU data center location is for EU residents, not me.

[SteadiestShark]

^
Christ, you're pretty heartless.

For YEARS, EU players had no choice but to pick NA-located servers and there was absolutely no indication that they'd ever relocate the "EU" servers until not too long before it happened either.

So you're being kind of a dick to people that (god forbid) want to stay in the friendships that they have created and nurtured for those years.

Anyway, EU players and East coast Americans/Canadians are on the same side in terms of disliking the new server location...


*Edit*
There is also the fact that many Europeans don't want to be involved in multilingual affairs due to communication difficulties - so they picked NA for that reason too.

[Kyouki]

Thanks @SteadistShark.

Good to see that there is still empathy in the community

@DJaySaint

You are a *insert random insult here*. You do not care about the ppl you have played with. You do not care about their ping, why should SE or anyone else care about what YOU want.

There are things that YOU could do to improve your ping. If you are on the east coast and your ping is that bad, maybe stop downloading stuff while you play or maybe tweak your registry. The person that is crying the loudest here is you. I pay the same amount for the service as you and there has never been a "you are european, STAY ON YOUR SIDE OF THE WORLD" server restriction.

And what about the NA citizens, that are living in the EU because their company sent them there for a few years? Did they lose the right to play on NA servers too?

I always thought that real gamers stick together. But MINE and THE OTHERS is a big deal now in america, right?

[Duelle]

For YEARS, EU players had no choice but to pick NA-located servers and there was absolutely no indication that they'd ever relocate the "EU" servers until not too long before it happened either.

That is irrelevant outside of trying to insert whatabout-ism into this discussion.

So you're being kind of a dick to people that (god forbid) want to stay in the friendships that they have created and nurtured for those years.

Actions performed wholly by choice. I've raided with people from NZ, AU and the EU while playing on a West Coast WoW server (with better response times than what I've seen since this move), so I know the adjustments they had to go through to play with my guild at the time. That being said, they were fully aware of what they were getting into, and were willing to bite the bullet despite the geographic disadvantage because they wanted to hang out with us.

That is entirely different, as despite being closer to the server, we have server response times doubling after the relocation. Definitely not the same as a person in AU or EU choosing to play on an NA server. So going "well, I'm much further from the server than you are and sucked it up all of this time, so you should too" is also a dick thing to say, since the context and source of the problem are very different. Save that for a person from NA complaining about pings to EU or JP servers (a scenario where the situation would be remotely comparable).

Note: To stay on topic, I've noticed some things being a bit...sluggish since the servers went back up.