Transfer Restrictions and Roleplayers

[MomomiMomi]

That isn't helping anyone in this thread. Balmung is a problem, but also has been for a while, they should have worked to fix it long before this and then the need for this thread would have been different. When it started, and we decided on Balmung as the RP server unofficially, there was no worry of population, but now there is clearly. If you aren't an RPer, or aren't from Balmung, then your opinion is great, but it isn't helpful or adding to this discussion in a helpful way. Asking for RPserver designation is a valid inquiry to the team, and should be supported by most RPers who care for the future of their community. Tackling further issues is something we can meet over time if there is some push for at least that to start.

I'm not talking about the request for an official RP server. Go ahead and request it, doesn't bother me.

What I'm responding to is this "we've tried it, it doesn't work" attitude on creating more unofficial RP communities. SE are giving a very heavy handed incentive to do it right now: Friends of people on Balmung can no longer join them. People who want the easy option of joining the largest RP community can no longer do it.

Forget what SE is going to do about it. What are you (general you) going to do about it?

[Velynea]

Forget what SE is going to do about it. What are you (general you) going to do about it?

I urge you to read my post again. We cannot do anything about it, unless SE offer us a hand or unlocks Balmung again.

This isn't about making new servers. We don't want them. This is not about transferring. We don't want that.

We just don't want our only true hub to start falling apart if this lock remains. We need new people. We are not like any other community. We are very unique and different in that regard. Without sounding melodramatic, this could take the enjoyment out of our game and how we spend our time if this remains a thing for a longer set period of time. Once more, we need new people to prevent things from stagnating. We need them in numbers, because all those type of various roleplayers need their brand of roleplayers to jive with. This isn't just a matter of "We like raiding" or "We like PvPing" and team up. Our situation is one I'm trying to explain, but I'm not sure if I'm wording things correctly, amongst several others, as no one appears to be understand what we are trying to convey.

Or people are just being immensely dense due to lack of knowledge on our community and prefer to stay that way. I'm not sure.

[MomomiMomi]

I urge you to read my post again. We cannot do anything about it, unless SE offer us a hand or unlocks Balmung again.

This isn't about making new servers. We don't want them. This is not about transferring. We don't want that.

We just don't want our only true hub to start falling apart if this lock remains. We need new people. We are not like any other community. We are very unique and different in that regard.

Well it's going to happen. What are you going to do about it?

[Kuroneko_Jutah]

I'm not talking about the request for an official RP server. Go ahead and request it, doesn't bother me.

What I'm responding to is this "we've tried it, it doesn't work" attitude on creating more unofficial RP communities. SE are giving a very heavy handed incentive to do it right now: Friends of people on Balmung can no longer join them. People who want the easy option of joining the largest RP community can no longer do it.

Forget what SE is going to do about it. What are you (general you) going to do about it?

This, so much. I understand not wanting to abandon friends and established communities (I wanted to play with my in-game spouse so much I followed them to Balmung) and assets. That part is well documented and understood.

What I don't understand is the active discouragement of people to find their own way around it. Digging in your heels and refusing to move is your business, and you're welcome to it. Telling other people not to do it on the grounds that you don't think it'll work is, however, none of your business. But we're all entitled to opinions, I suppose, so that's that.

For what its worth, the only reason I'm not an active member of Balmung's RP community is that I'm already a member of an RP community elsewhere, and XIV is where I go to unwind from that. I am fairly experienced in watching and maintaining these sorts of things, and allowing a community to become bloated to excess is, in fact, not healthy for growth at all. People get pushed out or feel they don't belong anymore. This is especially apparent in the (lack of) housing available: I'd probably be an active part of the Balmung RP community if my husband and I could actually get a house and settle down.

I urge you to read my post again. We cannot do anything about it, unless SE offer us a hand or unlocks Balmung again.

This isn't about making new servers. We don't want them. This is not about transferring. We don't want that.

We just don't want our only true hub to start falling apart if this lock remains. We need new people. We are not like any other community. We are very unique and different in that regard.

They really can't allow that for a multitude of reasons. Balmung will continue to become more and more full and you'll have one immense server where there will constantly be queues to log in, cities will be packed with more players and loading into zones becomes an issue, and you still have no housing available for these new people you so desperately need.

Some of the responsibility must necessarily fall on the players themselves. There is no one single thing SE can do to solve this problem that lets you have exactly what you want without shortchanging every other server who does not have Balmung's problems.

[Velynea]

What I don't understand is the active discouragement of people to find their own way around it. Digging in your heels and refusing to move is your business, and you're welcome to it. Telling other people not to do it on the grounds that you don't think it'll work is, however, none of your business. But we're all entitled to opinions, I suppose, so that's that.

Once more, my humble excuses for having a different opinion and not wishing to offer a one sided, unrealistic statement. Stating that it is not my business is absurd while we are discussing this topic. Just because you do not enjoy to hear another view does not mean you need to try to silence it.

[Kuroneko_Jutah]

Once more, my humble excuses for having a different opinion and not wishing to offer a one sided, unrealistic statement. Stating that it is not my business is absurd while we are discussing this topic. Just because you do not enjoy to hear another view does not mean you need to try to silence it.

Likewise. You're insisting it won't work and that the only solution is to allow Balmung to become more and more bloated, and that players shouldn't attempt to branch out and grow the community outside of it because it's not personally what you want to have happen.

But I'll stop pushing my point further, we're not going to see eye to eye on this at all.

[artemos7]

This, so much. I understand not wanting to abandon friends and established communities (I wanted to play with my in-game spouse so much I followed them to Balmung) and assets. That part is well documented and understood.

What I don't understand is the active discouragement of people to find their own way around it. Digging in your heels and refusing to move is your business, and you're welcome to it. Telling other people not to do it on the grounds that you don't think it'll work is, however, none of your business. But we're all entitled to opinions, I suppose, so that's that.
For what its worth, the only reason I'm not an active member of Balmung's RP community is that I'm already a member of an RP community elsewhere, and XIV is where I go to unwind from that. I am fairly experienced in watching and maintaining these sorts of things, and allowing a community to become bloated to excess is, in fact, not healthy for growth at all. People get pushed out or feel they don't belong anymore. This is especially apparent in the (lack of) housing available: I'd probably be an active part of the Balmung RP community if my husband and I could actually get a house and settle down.

That isn't how our community works, it thrives in larger numbers. Because that means, new people can find groups or form new groups for older RPers to join or work with and grow with. We aren't limited like most of the other communities in the game, sometimes numbers in one place aren't great for raiders or PvPers, because it can cause rifts and outsiders, but here that isn't as much of a problem. She wasn't saying don't do it, she was saying it has been tried and failed many times, or never really got off the ground in the first place, and when we ask for some help, the first reply from someone shouldn't always be: "Do it yourself." because movement and growth of the community requires a large agreement that is hard to obtain and solidify. Oversimplifying the case or solution isn't helping.

[Kuroneko_Jutah]

That isn't how our community works, it thrives in larger numbers. Because that means, new people can find groups or form new groups for older RPers to join or work with and grow with. We aren't limited like most of the other communities in the game, sometimes numbers in one place aren't great for raiders or PvPers, because it can cause rifts and outsiders, but here that isn't as much of a problem. She wasn't saying don't do it, she was saying it has been tried and failed many times, or never really got off the ground in the first place, and when we ask for some help, the first reply from someone shouldn't always be: "Do it yourself." because movement and growth of the community requires a large agreement that is hard to obtain and solidify. Oversimplifying the case or solution isn't helping.

It is difficult. It requires coordination, cooperation, and planning; networking together (outside the game in many cases). The unfortunate reality of the situation is that doing these things involves a lot of risk and little reward and folks would rather stay on Balmung instead. It's this attitude that bugs me because it just enforces the status quo and doesn't allow for change. SE putting up an RP tag on specific servers would go a long way to solve it but at the end of the day if people aren't willing to relocate to "seed" these communities we'll end up right back where we are right now: an overpopulated Balmung.

[artemos7]

I agree, it's easier for non-RPers to leave. but that doesn't answer my question. What are you going to do if the non-RPs don't want to leave also?

This isn't helping at all, it is just being circuitous with what if's and stating issues that should be considered, but not seriously discussed until something actually occurs and we have outcomes rather than assumptions. Also, Balmung does not need to be the RP server, any server could be it, having a future official option would lessen the strain overall~

It is difficult. It requires coordination, cooperation, and planning; networking together (outside the game in many cases). The unfortunate reality of the situation is that doing these things involves a lot of risk and little reward and folks would rather stay on Balmung instead. It's this attitude that bugs me because it just enforces the status quo and doesn't allow for change. SE putting up an RP tag on specific servers would go a long way to solve it but at the end of the day if people aren't willing to relocate to "seed" these communities we'll end up right back where we are right now: an overpopulated Balmung.

But with options to what we have now, and better yet: "Official Options" we would have solutions that could more easily facilitate the move over time.

[MomomiMomi]

This isn't helping at all, it is just being circuitous with what if's and stating issues that should be considered, but not seriously discussed until something actually occurs and we have outcomes rather than assumptions. Also, Balmung does not need to be the RP server, any server could be it, having a future official option would lessen the strain overall~

Yes, it's a question to make people consider it. Refusing to answer it, whether publicly or not, is simply denying a possible reality. It is better to be prepared to act if the situation arises than to scramble when it's already too late.

The RP community better be having some serious discussion right now, because right now, it's a reality that people can no longer go to Balmung. That isn't a "what if" anymore.