Transfer Restrictions and Roleplayers

[Kuroneko_Jutah]

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There's no downside that I can see to segregating RPers away from people who don't consider themselves RPers, most easily with an officially designated RP server.

That still doesn't tackle the issue others have raised here which is that these communities are already established, and in some cases, heavily invested in. Even if an "official" RP server were designated who would move there if they didn't want to uproot their homes and stories and connections?

It's going to take players dedicated to establishing a community elsewhere, or an incentive for the non-RP crowd to shove off instead.

[Marluxia]

That still doesn't tackle the issue others have raised here which is that these communities are already established, and in some cases, heavily invested in. Even if an "official" RP server were designated who would move there if they didn't want to uproot their homes and stories and connections?

It's going to take players dedicated to establishing a community elsewhere, or an incentive for the non-RP crowd to shove off instead.

I agree that that remains a problem, but I think it's worth examining what form this "investment" takes.

By that, I mean that if Square Enix offers free transfers with the retention (or compensation) of all assets, and designates an "official RP server" on top of that, I think it'd be possible for all RPers to move with limited fracturing. If the cost for uprooting is thirty minutes for the transfer to go through (assuming that you are transferring with all of your friends, and your friends have no reason not to transfer because the transfer is free with no losses) then wouldn't that serve as adequate incentive?

I fully acknowledge that I might be overlooking a whole host of issues, but that's the reason for this discussion.

[Naunet]

By that, I mean that if Square Enix offers free transfers with the retention (or compensation) of all assets, and designates an "official RP server" on top of that, I think it'd be possible for all RPers to move with limited fracturing.

Why is the the RPers who have to move? Label Balmung the official RP server and let the non-RPers - people who would have a much easier time uprooting - take advantage of free transfers/etc.

It's a LOT easier to move/rebuild a raid group on another server than it is to re-establish an entire RP community with character relationships, housing RP hubs, history, and more.

[MomomiMomi]

Why is the the RPers who have to move? Label Balmung the official RP server and let the non-RPers - people who would have a much easier time uprooting - take advantage of free transfers/etc.

This problem is just going to happen again. If there's only one option, it's going to get bloated.

Also, what if the non-RPers also don't want to leave for the same reasons? They have friends, etc. You going to live with Balmung locked forever?

[ExKage]

Why is the the RPers who have to move? Label Balmung the official RP server and let the non-RPers - people who would have a much easier time uprooting - take advantage of free transfers/etc.

It's a LOT easier to move/rebuild a raid group on another server than it is to re-establish an entire RP community with character relationships, housing RP hubs, history, and more.

I'm not sure I believe this? Balmung's possibly got a larger PVE community. Houses. Economy. History there as well. Why would it be easier to transfer say 5000 people than it is 1000? Is Balmung's RP population actually bigger than its PVE's?

Are you not unaware of how the raiding community works or? It's not just 8 people who move. You move their FCs. Their friends in other FCs. You want the raid community at your fingertips. "Hey I know this rad group who needs a PUG. I know this other raider from my LS's (note multiple linkshells) of people who I can ask to fill, to farm."

[Marluxia]

Why is the the RPers who have to move? Label Balmung the official RP server and let the non-RPers - people who would have a much easier time uprooting - take advantage of free transfers/etc.

It's a LOT easier to move/rebuild a raid group on another server than it is to re-establish an entire RP community with character relationships, housing RP hubs, history, and more.

I don't disagree, and really your solution is the other side of the coin.

The problem is that there needs to be some kind of segregation between RPers and non-RPers, the reason why Balmung is full is because of that lack of segregation.

Doesn't really matter who moves, as long as it's one side or the other. But a move does need to happen or there.

[Vexander]

That still doesn't tackle the issue others have raised here which is that these communities are already established, and in some cases, heavily invested in. Even if an "official" RP server were designated who would move there if they didn't want to uproot their homes and stories and connections?

It's going to take players dedicated to establishing a community elsewhere, or an incentive for the non-RP crowd to shove off instead.

For it to work, SE needs to make a few things happen.

1) Housing needs to be transferred over. If this means adding new Wards to accommodate the Large Estates of FCs, then that NEEDS to happen. Players NEED this peace of mind, this feeling of security, that they are NOT going to lose this.
2) Transfers need to be free. Not everyone can afford to pay $18 to move one (or more) characters.
3) Restrictions of transferring Gil don't need to be loosened. They need to be -removed-. No one wants to lose their Gil from moving.
4) Make Official RP Servers. It. Helps.

[Kuroneko_Jutah]

Have you heard of Gilgamesh. It is supposed to be the second roleplay server. Roleplay is dead there now. It has been tried before.

Right, just give up then. Thanks.

By that, I mean that if Square Enix offers free transfers with the retention (or compensation) of all assets, and designates an "official RP server" on top of that, I think it'd be possible for all RPers to move with limited fracturing. If the cost for uprooting is thirty minutes for the transfer to go through (assuming that you are transferring with all of your friends, and your friends have no reason not to transfer because the transfer is free with no losses) then wouldn't that serve as adequate incentive?

Ideally yes, they're offering compensation for housing and furnishings, FC transfer, designated destination worlds will be free of charge, iirc (it's on Lodestone).

For it to work, SE needs to make a few things happen.

1) Housing needs to be transferred over. If this means adding new Wards to accommodate the Large Estates of FCs, then that NEEDS to happen. Players NEED this peace of mind, this feeling of security, that they are NOT going to lose this.
2) Transfers need to be free. Not everyone can afford to pay $18 to move one (or more) characters.
3) Restrictions of transferring Gil don't need to be loosened. They need to be -removed-. No one wants to lose their Gil from moving.
4) Make Official RP Servers. It. Helps.

See above. The gil restriction is only in place to prevent flooding a market with excess gil or giving one player an excessive amount of power over the market.

[Velynea]

Right, just give up then. Thanks.

No need to become snarky now for giving information that this has been attempted in the past. It is better to inform people then inspire false hope.

[Rin_Sato]

It's going to take players dedicated to establishing a community elsewhere, or an incentive for the non-RP crowd to shove off instead.

They should just remove savage and ex content from the RP servers since so few people are doing that content