What are the most common reasons people don't dps?

[SilentVoice]

the more i read this thread the more i realize how broken the game design is, allowing master races amongst healers in terms of DPS (them 20% gdps contributions). i hope SE nerfes healers dps to a point, where they will be completelly optional to use any offensive abiities in whatever short downtimes (please make them short) they have. i want healing\utility fest as a healer, but i guess for now i have 3 choice - get over it and suffer, switch to tank\dd, stop playing.

I just had a run yesterday that wasn't my greatest. My cast numbers were grossly low (the DRK healed more than me) but in my defence I was really tired! I still did about 18%
of the damage to Poisontongue. And no I'm not a high level player.
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this. a good example how seriusly screwed healing concept in this game. i mean what is the actual hell??? tank healing himself better than the actual healer and that is considered a norm? i wish i could unsee this

[VanilleFang]

People play to have fun. They do whatever is fun to them. I don't understand how its ok for others to tell people how to play. If you don't like that. Don't run randoms, run with a guild or friends. Problem solved.

People say this all the time, and every time they do I always ask "what's fun about standing around 75% of the time doing nothing?"

I never get an answer.

[Jollyy5]

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Tank healing more than a healer can happen, especially with a Dark Knight, Sea Urchin (Abyssal Drain) is hella strong and Souleater is no slouch either.

In expert dungeons Eos does 50%+ of my healing and my HPS is usually around 2.5k or even less if the tank can heal themselves (which DRK does passively while attacking, btw), which means there's not a whole lot of healing needed.

This means more downtime for me, which I turn into DPS, which in turn turns into smoother, faster runs.


I can't help but to feel that quote on your profile is working against you...

[SilentVoice]

Tank healing more than a healer can happen, especially with a Dark Knight, Sea Urchin (Abyssal Drain) is hella strong and Souleater is no slouch either.

In expert dungeons Eos does 50%+ of my healing and my HPS is usually around 2.5k or even less if the tank can heal themselves (which DRK does passively while attacking, btw), which means there's not a whole lot of healing needed.

This means more downtime for me, which I turn into DPS, which in turn turns into smoother, faster runs.


I can't help but to feel that quote on your profile is working against you...

i know why this happens and i know about DRK skills. What i can't get over with is that game design actually allows it. my problem is with the design, not with people who optimize their uptime with such design. and like i mentioned before, a proper way of doing something based on how things are designed is no good, if such proper way is barely followed by anyone
and just to be clear, i also follow this design, even though i am raging about this. you can look up my parses as SCH. except with each such day i hate being one more and more

[Jollyy5]

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I personally prefer these "DPS healers" we have in FFXIV, I don't think I would even be healing otherwise, although I can understand that it upsets players who do enjoy pure healing.

FFXIV's game design is what it is and I don't think it's going to change anytime soon even if the developers wanted to do so, as it would come with a whole lot of complications, many healers screaming bloody murder being just one example.

FFXIV's engine is also quite clunky, if pretty, and might make it difficult to completely overhaul how healing works, which might be another problem.

[Aniond]

People say this all the time, and every time they do I always ask "what's fun about standing around 75% of the time doing nothing?"

I never get an answer.

Im personally not saying it is. Alot of player come from WOW where all you do is spam heals. Some habits are hard to break. So people just like focussing on healing and nothing else. It also depends on the tank. Ive had tanks that pulled so much that I had to spam every heal I had to keep him alive..

Whats for you them, not aways fun to us

[Vyriah]

People say this all the time, and every time they do I always ask "what's fun about standing around 75% of the time doing nothing?"

I never get an answer.

What's fun about playing a video game like it's your work place ?

I like the strategic, team coordination part of MMORPG. Not doing an action doesn't mean not doing anything, people usually are paying attention to what happen in the fight. I'm not sure what's so fun about hitting a pretermined set of skills in the exact same ordre no matter what the situation either.

[Miste]

People play to have fun. They do whatever is fun to them. I don't understand how its ok for others to tell people how to play. If you don't like that. Don't run randoms, run with a guild or friends. Problem solved.

So if my way of having fun on tank is to pull the entire dungeon (or as much of it as possible) and the healer is unable to keep me alive and I wipe the group and continue to do this over and over....that's okay because "I'm having fun".

If my way of "having fun" is to be an ice mage on BLM and the dungeon is going slower than it should be...that's okay because "I'm having fun".

You seem to be misunderstanding the fact that DF isn't solo content. So you seem to think that one person's way of having fun is top priority and the other 3 don't matter.

It still shocks me how many people throw that "don't run with randoms then" argument at only one side hypocritically. That argument goes for both sides. If you are unwilling to compromise at all then don't run with randoms, and that goes for everyone.

If the majority of your party wants you to play a different way then you may have to compromise and not just be like a toddler having a tantrum and being like "NO! It's 'my' sub! 'I'll' play however 'I' have fun so screw the rest of you in the group! Your fun doesn't matter!"

[Aniond]

So if my way of having fun on tank is to pull the entire dungeon (or as much of it as possible) and the healer is unable to keep me alive and I wipe the group and continue to do this over and over....that's okay because "I'm having fun".

There is a difference from being a troll and having fun. That would be like you pulling a group and the healer refusing to heal you and let you die over and over. The bottom line if you expect people to play your way then your are just foolish. Its ok to expect that from guildmates and friends but complete strangers is unrealistic.

If the majority of your party wants you to play a different way then you may have to compromise and not just be like a toddler having a tantrum and being like "NO! It's 'my' sub! 'I'll' play however 'I' have fun so screw the rest of you in the group! Your fun doesn't matter!"

In a game of strangers. You forgot that your fun doesn't matter. The only person that matters is the person who is playing. The whole don't run randoms thing does apply. Your assuming that 3 other people in DF is along your side of thinking. When you could be the only one.

[Miste]

There is a difference from being a troll and having fun. That would be like you pulling a group and the healer refusing to heal you and let you die over and over. The bottom line if you expect people to play your way then your are just foolish. Its ok to expect that from guildmates and friends but complete strangers is unrealistic.

Actually no there isn't....why do you think people troll? It's educational? Heck no. They troll because it is fun for them, but my example wasn't really about trolling it was about speed running.

I used big pulls as an example because when I play DPS, tank, or healer my preferred play style is multipulls.

BUT...since I come across groups of players who cannot handle multipulling sometimes or the healer requests to go slower because it is too stressful for them and the majority of the group is in agreement then I compromise and sacrifice my fun for the good of the group. It's not fun for me when dungeon groups pull only one set...but if the majority can't or doesn't want to do multipulls then I accept it and get on with the run. I don't try to force them to accept how I want to play.

IF* a group doesn't want to accept a healer who is idle anywhere from 70-80% of a run when they could be actually pressing some DPS buttons to help out the group then they have majority then it's too bad for that healer.

IF* the majority wants this healer to actually contribute as much effort as the rest of the team then they have the right to request it. If the healer refuses to at least try to compromise by stating they will attempt to dps a little to help or gives a nasty rude response then that is where vote kick might happen.

God forbid people request that the entire team at least try to put in equal effort in a co-op style game. Healers in this game seem to be the only Princesses that seem to get away with standing around doing nothing while DPS and tanks would be called out immediately for the same behavior. Sorry to burst a bubble but fun isn't really all there is to it...it's about at least trying to put equal effort and trying our best so that the entire group benefits from it.

There is no reason why a healer cannot just even throw out a few dots during pulls when the tank isn't taking much damage. If the damage is too high and they need to spam heal no problem, but if not? Just a few dots maybe swiftcast a holy or gravity. Anything but doing zero because it shows at least you are trying to do as much as you can for your group who are also likely doing the same for you.

*highlighting the IF because you seem to think I am making assumptions when I am explaining situations where the group actually does feel the same way.

You forgot that your fun doesn't matter. The only person that matters is the person who is playing.

There are just no words for this....are you serious? You do realize that if I had this mentality I would end up wiping groups with multipulls and refusing to compromise because I am the only one who matters right? Why do I have to be compromising and nice when you only care about yourself? Should I just adopt that mentality anyway since you seem to think it is okay?

Why would anyone want someone in their group with this mentality of "I'm the only one who matters".

There is just no words....at all...I honestly thought I had seen everything this forum could do, but this takes a new cake.

Your assuming that 3 other people in DF is along your side of thinking. When you could be the only one.

Am I? Pretty sure I explained "IF" the majority of your group agrees you should be playing a different way you may have to compromise. I am not assuming anything. I am talking about real situations where 3 members of the group are unhappy with how you are playing and you refuse to compromise. I don't think you took the time to read what I was saying.