How Would You Do... Summoner?

[Sarynth]

OK so, been wanting to make a post in this thread because even though SE probably won't change smn any time soon I thought it'd be fun to get the ideas out there at least.

So starting off...
35 bonus attribute points tied to job stones (not like its really a choice where they go anyway)
Also egi are same size but art style changed to be similar to carbuncle art style.
Increase types of carbunles for egi glamours as well.

Enkindle replaced by Astral Flow.

Astral Flow: Allows the casting of your egi's signature ability
. Increases magic damage dealt by 10% while lowering the MP cost of Ruin III.
Can only be executed when Aethertrail Attunement stack is 3.
Aethertrail Attunement is achieved when an Aetherflow action used by you inflicts an effect on a target.
Duration: 15s.

note about Astral Flow: each egi has its own unique animation for its signature ability similar to how trance/deathflare
have Bahamut animations currently.

Miasma 2 replaced with Mana Cede
Mana Cede: Slowly drains mp to increase the potency of the current egis actions including actions unlocked by enkindle.
300 mp per tick (3 second server ticks) in exchange for 20 potency increase to actions. Only affects egi actions.

Bio 2 replaced with Poison (same potency, duration etc. just a name and icon change)

Contagion: now an acn ability, Garuda egi gains "Predator Claws"
Predator Claws: Delivers a four hit attack for 30 potency each hit. Individual hits can crit. 120 potency total.

Ruin 2: increased to 100 potency and blind effect removed.

Limit Break 3 unchanged (Teraflare seems fitting for smn since their allagan ties in lore)

Dreadwyrm Trance/Deathflare/Tri-bind: removed and replaced with... (not sure what potency to give the new egis below tbh just giving ability names)

Shiva-egi:
Axe kick
Double Slap
Rush
Heavenly Strike
Diamond Dust (Astral Flow)

Ramuh-egi:
Shock Strike
Rolling Thunder (aoe stun)
Chaotic Strike
Thunderstorm
Judgement Bolt (Astral Flow)

Leviathan-egi:
Tail Whip
Slowga
Grand Fall
Spinning Dive
Tidal Wave (Astral Flow)

*edited for clarity

[Silverquick]

Dreadwyrm Trance/Deathflare/Tri-bind: removed and replaced with... (not sure what potency to give the new egis below tbh just giving ability names)

Shiva-egi:
Axe kick
Double Slap
Rush
Heavenly Strike
Diamond Dust (Enkindle only)

Ramuh-egi:
Shock Strike
Rolling Thunder (aoe stun)
Chaotic Strike
Thunderstorm
Judgement Bolt (Enkindle only)

Leviathan-egi:
Tail Whip
Slowga
Grand Fall
Spinning Dive
Tidal Wave (Enkindle only)

Well right now with Deathflare... I can wipe out whole packs of 6-10 mobs... with my sidecar DPS with just Painflares, Deathflare/Teraflare, Bane DoTs, and Garuda Aerial Blast, in about 30 seconds.

Will I be able to do that with these new Egis?

If I can't... then we just locked the SMN back at 50th level while the rest of the Jobs moved on to 70th level...

[Sarynth]

Well right now with Deathflare... I can wipe out whole packs of 6-10 mobs... with my sidecar DPS with just Painflares, Deathflare/Teraflare, Bane DoTs, and Garuda Aerial Blast, in about 30 seconds.

Will I be able to do that with these new Egis?

If I can't... then we just locked the SMN back at 50th level while the rest of the Jobs moved on to 70th level...

Pretty much yes, not that I don't like deathflare (I love it actually) but you pick your summon based on content then astral flow abilities would work similar to how it is currently. Should probably refine my post for more clarity.

[Dyvid]

Well right now with Deathflare... I can wipe out whole packs of 6-10 mobs... with my sidecar DPS with just Painflares, Deathflare/Teraflare, Bane DoTs, and Garuda Aerial Blast, in about 30 seconds.

Will I be able to do that with these new Egis?

If I can't... then we just locked the SMN back at 50th level while the rest of the Jobs moved on to 70th level...

My AoE was fine at 50, 3.0 just added a little more too it. But that aside, the only time AoE is really useful is on trash mobs and the main source of trash mobs is dungeon. Not a lot of use for AoE in Raids and Trial Ex so you argument is moot.

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I agree with some of your idea like contagion but the pet problem is still an issue, one the devs are struggling with too. Adding new Egi is fine but you have the issue on how to make each one useful. The history of the series has you swap summons out because of timers or useful spells.

[Silverquick]

My AoE was fine at 50, 3.0 just added a little more too it. But that aside, the only time AoE is really useful is on trash mobs and the main source of trash mobs is dungeon. Not a lot of use for AoE in Raids and Trial Ex so you argument is moot..

Well having played both BLM and SMN at level 50 in the same gear... no actually you can't compete with it at level 50. That changes at level 52 once you get Painflare.

Flare far outclasses SMN damage. As does Fire 3 on single targets, that's why in the early guides it talks about it... and why everyone bolted SMN for BLM back then, and why they were unwanted in upper level areas.

And having played them both at that level... yeah I found they were telling me the truth...

And luckily because Deathflare does so much damage in a one shot hit, it actually works just fine in Raids and Ex Trials, as witnessed by the FFLogs.