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    hobostew's Avatar
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    Pretty sure they do it to mess with people like you who get all upset over tactics for content that barely requires them anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hobostew View Post
    Pretty sure they do it to mess with people like you who get all upset over tactics for content that barely requires them anymore.
    This. Plus, if letters are consistently placed left to right and you've run more than one raid with said letters, they quickly become unnecessary. For all but one boss (Echidna), they just read left-to-right: A, B, and C.

    B takes center, and A either goes left or clockwise 120* and C right or counter-clockwise 120*... At that point the letter are useful only if there's so much confusion that it'd be difficult to find otherwise unmarked stacking points (e.g. for Cure III).
    ...Can't remember that ever being necessary in a 24-man, though, except on one really shitty fat boss attempt when Void Ark was released.

    All in all I consider the letters, though less so than erasing them, wasted effort. (Really though, even if they're there... why then take the extra time to erase them? Whoever likes them REALLY likes them if they're still putting them up, and it's just going to reappear, so you're not fighting the gaudy... you're just wanting to hit buttons unhelpfully -- whereas the other guy was at least helping himself.)
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    Last edited by Shurrikhan; 05-14-2017 at 06:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    B takes center, and A either goes left or clockwise 120* and C right or counter-clockwise 120*...)
    that's some weird logic. if B is North for example, you're saying
    A goes left (West) or clockwise (which is basically right and East)
    C goes right(East) or counter-clockwise (which is basically left and West)

    if that's the common logic its no wonder so many people still get it wrong...

    not that it matters anyway but by design A should be centre, and B left and C right. last boss of void ark for example when echidna splits into 3 she'll always be north and target A's Tank the snake on her left targets B's tank and the snake on her right targets c's tank. the way people typically do it you end up seeing all 3 dance around and switch places which means it takes longer for them to split up.. (every second counts in this age of must go fast speed run all the things) doesn't really matter but ya know just a small gripe...
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    Last edited by Dzian; 05-13-2017 at 06:44 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dzian View Post
    not that it matters anyway but by design A should be centre, and B left and C right.
    Afaik, that's the way the mechanics are designed for 24man raids.

    However, it does make sense to follow Shurrikhan's reasoning. What they mean is essentially placing the letters in alphabetical order from west -> north -> east, which makes sense imo. For the other way though A being north makes sense, but B and C being west and east makes far less sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dzian View Post
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    It wouldn't be ideal for a fight that has auto-targeting adds like Echidna, but otherwise it's just the idea of reading A, B, C, from left to right across your screen. Whether common "logic" or not, it's what I see 98% of the time (the only exception being, again, Echidna). B can be south or north, or whatever, depending on where the raid is facing at entry to the boss; it's just "center". It's just the idea that the middle letter goes middle and the other two fan out to the sides, whether that's requires an angular shift as well or not. They then spread and collapse as mechanics and cross-healing require (the latter never really occurring unless an alliance has lost their healers).

    Quote Originally Posted by Reiryuu View Post
    The way he stated is how it's done on the Japanese servers. It's quite logical considering that's how the parties are arranged when you first come into the content.
    Having played on Ragnorak, Cactuar, Balmung, and Tonberry, I've actually never seen anything else. I haven't see anything else in Youtube footage of these 24-mans either, apart from Echidna. In 8-mans that require coordination, A may be the first placed, and then B and C around it, but in everything else I've only ever seen left-to-right / read-order placement.
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    Last edited by Shurrikhan; 05-14-2017 at 06:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dzian View Post
    that's some weird logic.
    The way he stated is how it's done on the Japanese servers. It's quite logical considering that's how the parties are arranged when you first come into the content.
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