Battle system changes

[Driavna]

Should change it yes (as I have never said they shouldn't). But I'm pretty sure most can figure out that Provoke can be used on WAR and DRK.

Stop assuming everyone is a walking brick and stick to the facts for a new player. You picked one of the most obvious pair ups marauder/gladiator. Anyway let's use it:

- A walking brick pick marauder and level it to 30.

- Walking brick is a smart brick and decide to check that pesky quest marked as red and notice he need gladiator LvL 15.

- Since he is a very smart brick (he figures out that all those letters under skills mean classes) decide to check all gladiator skills for cross class abilities and learn that he need to level up to 34.

- He is not only a smart brick but a brick that work hard, so at LvL 30 decided to also unlock paladin for gladiator.

- Our heroic walking brick finally unlock paladin and notice something very important... paladins can use skills from marauder and conjurer and realize what that means! Marauder must pair at least with one more class.

- Since our brick is also resourceful and is not afraid of some research he learned about that marauder also shares skills with pugilist... a combo with zero sense but a critical buff and a self-health sounds nice.

If at some point this chain of events breaks the most natural thing is to don't know about it, this system in unnecessary obscure and easily lead to people missing important skills like a ninja without invigorate or blood for blood.

[Claymore65]

About unneeded rotations, dunno other PLDs around here, but when I start the "mana back" rotation I will stop at the 2nd combo (the one that gives effectively mana back) and will not bother to go ahead to 3rd combo, as long as I either return to aggro combo, or restart mana combo because, well, I need mana if I go there, and third combo skill there is pretty ignored.

Off topic, but just so we're clear, you probably shouldn't be ignoring Goring Blade as a Paladin. It has a total potency of 640 with the dot, and has a pretty sweet animation to boot. It's really worth using.

On topic, there are some interesting potential changes coming with the Role Based Skill system. They mentioned the possibility of basic cool downs like Rampart being added to the Role Based Skills for tank. That could leave a lot of design space for future tanks. If the very basics of a tanking class are already rolled into the "Role based Skills", they can focus the job abilities on creating unique playstyles. Similarly, the unique UI elements have a lot of potential. They mentioned things like adding a bar for Blood of the Dragon, or Chakra icons for Greased Lightning. While they might not necessarily adjust the actual gameplay, if properly done it can add a lot of identity to the Job. Adding unique icons can make the class more satisfying without adjusting balance significantly.

However, I'm still a bit surprised at how little we know so far. We haven't seen a screenshot (or even a mock-up) of these alleged UI changes, and our details on the action revamps and Role Based Skills are sparse. I understand their reasoning. They're afraid of mentioning features still subject to change, and don't want to make promises they can't keep. However, there is a downside to their secrecy. Right now, players have no way of giving feedback on the changes, and by the time we learn more there will be no time for them to adjust it. I sincerely hope the changes are excellent.

[LalaRu]

...I'm still a bit surprised at how little we know so far.... there is a downside to their secrecy.... no way of giving feedback...

I think, as long as we are more or less one month from distribution, everything have been set almost in stone and apart minor retouches from the QA, it cannot have major changes now.

[dragonseth07]

About unneeded rotations, dunno other PLDs around here, but when I start the "mana back" rotation I will stop at the 2nd combo (the one that gives effectively mana back) and will not bother to go ahead to 3rd combo, as long as I either return to aggro combo, or restart mana combo because, well, I need mana if I go there, and third combo skill there is pretty ignored.

That is terrible PLD play. Holy crap. 10 seconds of Google gives you the PLD rotation of Goring-Royal-Royal.

Anyway, I'm excited to see just how PLD is handled. With us losing so many skills to Role skills (in theory), there is a lot of room for improvement.

I'm personally hoping that RA moves to comboing off of Riot Blade, so we can OT with no aggro gen at all.

[Kaethra]

You picked one of the most obvious pair ups marauder/gladiator.

I used the example given.

If at some point this chain of events breaks the most natural thing is to don't know about it, this system in unnecessary obscure and easily lead to people missing important skills like a ninja without invigorate or blood for blood.

Since you keep missing it:

I think you missed the discussion of what I said earlier. Which many of you are missing. Lemme lay it out for you all, and everytime one of you misses it (as I'm sure you all are ought to do again):

1. I know it will change.
2. I want it to change.
3. 'Newbies' will use it if they want to.
4. Bads will simply ignore it, as they do now.
5. The four points above are facts that many of you are burying your heads to avoid.

[LalaRu]

That is terrible PLD play. Holy crap. 10 seconds of Google gives you the PLD rotation of Goring-Royal-Royal.

If I burned all my mana and in need of more, I think even you got what is happening there.

[Driavna]

I used the example given.



Since you keep missing it:

Oh no, I'm not missing anything. Your whole point always was: the system is easy and clear enough, (and you are wrong) and if a player can't figure it out it's because he doesn't care or is not smart enough. Anyway, I should know better after you "quoted" me.

[Kaethra]

Your whole point always was: the system is easy and clear enough

That's an outright lie.