Battle system changes

[Jetstream_Fox]

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Such ignorance, first and foremost there were many people when 2.0 launched that didn't have every cross class skill available, I myself didn't have blood for blood once I hit 50 on BRD, I didn't even realize I was missing it because it wasn't a requirement to open up BRD unlike PUG was. I was busy learning my main class and not thinking about nearly maxing out a 3rd class for one skill. Granted with provoke, it's unlocked earlier than almost any skill minus cleric stance that I'm aware of it, it doesn't me this system isn't horribly designed, it's in most cases a horrible attempt to get other players to play other classes with the incentive to use typically one skill out of the toolkit for your main.

More so, cross class abilities stopped being relevant on 3.0 release as 0 skill has the ability to cross over, it's developmental flawed to not give classes the skills they need to function going forward, you can't shoe horn players into old content for one skill and say with a straight face the system works like it should. As I stated with the Novice Hall and the issue my friend had with it, who might I add didn't buy a sub after his trial because the lack of training the game offers, you can't release a game and keep it updated while expecting new players to be able to learn both the old ways of the game, and the new simultaneously.

[Kaethra]

More so, cross class abilities stopped being relevant on 3.0 release as 0 skill has the ability to cross over, it's developmental flawed to not give classes the skills they need to function going forward, you can't shoe horn players into old content for one skill and say with a straight face the system works like it should..

I've never debated that fact. The system is flawed. But how many MMOs have flawed systems that take years to be fixed or worse, never fix them? With that said, my point is the system we have is the system we have currently. Therefor everyone is playing under the same system and should be held to the same standard.

If we all threw our hands up and said, "Oop! Systems flawed, lets not do content that requires us to participate in the flawed system" then none of us would have completed some of the harder content. But instead we found ways to mitigate the system or simply toughed it out. The first players did it, the next gen of players did it, and the newer players certainly can do it.

Should it be fixed? Absolutely. But we don't let people off simply because they're not willing to put in the same effort in as the first players who cleared through said content.

[Jetstream_Fox]

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Yes and how many of those MMOs die or go free to play because they don't make an effort to fix the flaws? We do not play under a system built for cross class abilities, we haven't since 2.0, again SE made all 3.0 abilities solely job abilities. DRK, MCH, and AST don't feature any base job, they were designed for currently players to pick them up and already know what the basics of each job signifies.

Your entire idea is based off brand new players having the knowledge as players since day one, let's take a new player off the boat. They want to play WHM, so they level CNJ to 30 and ACN to 15, and they go about their time and find out they need swift cast, but they find out because someone from 2.0 told them about it, not the game itself. So now that new player learned something that the game doesn't attempt to make known, only because of someone else.

Again I didn't know I needed Blood for Blood at all until I got to 50, I seen MNK using it and figured it must be something that only physical classes get, and me being ranged wouldn't get that since the trade off of the skill is you take more damage as well, and being ranged I'm not in the immediate area of danger, therefore in my mind that particular skill shouldn't have crossed over.

[Kaethra]

Yes and how many of those MMOs die or go free to play because they don't make an effort to fix the flaws?

Where did I say they shouldn't? Again you are operating under the assumption I think it should stay how it is, I don't.

But since it IS how it is, we have to deal with it, as the alternative is to what? Quit?. And I don't believe its wrong to think a level 60 'newbie' should be expected to know as much or be expected to learn as much as the first level 50s in 2.0.

[Kaitoo]

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You know how ridiculous this reads i hope?

Thats a combination of old people yelling at clouds and saying back in my days we hadnt this so im not using this + because its possible to do it this ways and people before me do this way it should be this way, which is some dangerous line of thinking

[Felis]

More so, cross class abilities stopped being relevant on 3.0 release as 0 skill has the ability to cross over

Because after lv 50 you don't get class skills anymore, only job skills.