Can future PvP let below max level to take part like PotD to help leveling?

[kuma_aus]

Basically what title says.

Since the expansion is really close I really want to finish off the PvP achievements. But at the same time I want to level everything to 60. I think it would be great if both could be joined together in the future so I can do both at the same time.

So the way I'm thinking is if you queue as a class that's not max level, you get synced upwards like PotD to max level and get an ilvl sync to the PvP (eg, 3.0 PVP is 150 I think). You won't get tomes as a reward, but you will get EXP to level up.

Downsides to this would be that we would have people that aren't familiar with their jobs taking part in PvP. A way to counter this could be to let only level 50+ join in to the PvP (Maybe have ilvl req for entering be like 100 or something) so at least they have the basic framework of their jobs down. Also maybe prevent the ranking based PvP to not allow this as well. So 8v8 Feast would allow this, but 4v4 wouldn't.

I just think it would be awesome to do some (Shatter) matches as my MCH, NIN, DRG, and MNK as they level between 50 > 60.

[Mirch]

Ahahaha, no. No.

There's already too much PvE in PvP and many ways to level up, then making PvP non ranked modes like PoTD lol?

Please, no. LoL

[kuma_aus]

There's already too much PvE in PvP and many ways to level up, then making PvP non ranked modes like PoTD lol?

That's a problem with the game mode, not who queues. Take 3.05 and Seal Rock as an example. I would say 70%+ of the people that did it weren't PvP players, just people who didn't want to do Expert Roulette to cap. And that game mode is very PvP focused so those PvE players had to get used to PvP.

[BloodRubyXII]

Ahahaha, no. No.

There's already too much PvE in PvP and many ways to level up, then making PvP non ranked modes like PoTD lol?

Please, no. LoL

Without it PvP would probably be more dead than it already is. I don't know why you'd be against something that stops you queueing for a half century (atm 48 mins in an 8v8 queue and counting - and I'm only bothering to farm my last 200 tomes for cap).


I don't know why people are so obsessed with being against PvP providing PvE benefits. It's supposed to be a casual activity (it's clearly the aim they've gone for, hence why people are always crying in Discord that feast queues are dead outside of the peak 4-5 hours of the day); anything that can boost activity in PvP right now should be welcomed. This isn't like WoW where the community that is solely PvP focused is enough to sustain itself to the point where they don't need to provide those benefits because people are happy to do one or the other.

[Zojha]

I don't know why people are so obsessed with being against PvP providing PvE benefits.

Well, that is easy to clear up: PvE benefits might lure people into PvP that are not interested in PvP and people do not want people in PvP that have no interest in PvP. That has two reasons:
1) People who have no interest in PvP typically won't try to get better at it, so they will never become gosus you can have serious competitive matches with.
2) People who have no interest in PvP might simply AFK to grab a quick losers award.

The latter is common when the reward is exclusive to PvP, because even people who absolutely loathe PvP feel the need to get in, whereas if it's not exclusive, those people got other options. The prior isn't really an issue as such - if these people are amongst themselves, no harm done. Players who take PvP serious however have quite an issue playing with these people.

[BloodRubyXII]

Well, that is easy to clear up: PvE benefits might lure people into PvP that are not interested in PvP and people do not want people in PvP that have no interest in PvP. That has two reasons:
1) People who have no interest in PvP typically won't try to get better at it, so they will never become gosus you can have serious competitive matches with.
2) People who have no interest in PvP might simply AFK to grab a quick losers award.

The latter is common when the reward is exclusive to PvP, because even people who absolutely loathe PvP feel the need to get in, whereas if it's not exclusive, those people got other options. The prior isn't really an issue as such - if these people are amongst themselves, no harm done. Players who take PvP serious however have quite an issue playing with these people.

I get what you're saying; and I did cover this on another thread before.
1) Ranked is there for those who want to be some kind of MLG god. But given how our ranked community behaves and how it treats people trying to break in; they only really have themselves to blame for people not wanting to have the motivation to take it serious.I even gave it a go this season and got to Plat, but the community was just so toxic (especially on the discords for ranked pvpers) I can see why the queues are so dead.
2) That's a problem with SE not punishing people who do so enough, not the actual concept of making a PvP a more rewarding activity for all kinds of players.

You also have to look at the other end of the spectrum, there are people including myself that would have never tried to push themselves at PvP in this game had they not been brought to it under some kind of incentive in the first place (I came for the gear and tomes, but then stayed for the ranked because I wanted more)

[Vidu]

No.

I could end here, but the forums wont let me, so I'll add a bit:
As a semi-serious PvP-player I'm seeing enough clueless people already that are only there for quick tomes/light or recently the garo-mounts. I dont want to hear a reply like "Oh, I'm just here for the exp, so leave me alone". Its already bad enough when people dont use their PvP-skills and now you want to add them not knowing their actual skills to that? Just... no.

Seriously: You're trying to have it at all, but sometimes in life you gotta choose one or the other. PvP and PvE are two seperate things and they're getting mixed up badly enough already. Please, please keep leveling out of PvP! This is nothing but a terribly selfish request. Make your pick - whats more important to you?

Oh and: just do Fates while you're in queue - those 10-30 minutes of the actual match shouldnt hurt your leveling progression to much. There are plenty of other ways to level fast, PvP should never become one of them.

[Zojha]

Seriously: You're trying to have it at all, but sometimes in life you gotta choose one or the other.

A classic in this regard in PvP would be:
Having people in the game that know how to play OR Having the queue pop at all.

Personally, I don't see a fundamental issue with the idea of early PvP. The main issues are that PvP as such is already extremely obscure and queues might not pop and endgame players might want to be separated from leveling players.

So I'd say we take the level 30 wolves den quest, have it unlock 8vs8 Feast (Leveling) and sync everyone up to level 70 and some random item level up there. Your queue pool is anyone between 30 and 69, so queues might even pop. If it works, you can put a second queue in there for a random Frontline, synced to 70 as well. If it doesn't, well, PvP probably just sucks.

[Chiramu]

SWTOR does a similar system. It syncs everyone to the same level so that you can queue for PVP at any time and be able to get a game. FFXIV could benefit from a similar system, PVP matches are super fast to get in SWTOR because of this system.

[Vidu]

SWTOR does a similar system. It syncs everyone to the same level so that you can queue for PVP at any time and be able to get a game. FFXIV could benefit from a similar system, PVP matches are super fast to get in SWTOR because of this system.

Can you elaborate on the quality of those matches?
I've never played SWTOR - so how legit is it to compare that game with FFXIV when it comes to PvP? How big a part is PvP in that game? How big is the PvP-community?

Personally, I'll take long queuetimes over fast ones, if the fast ones mean that half the people in my alliance are extremly clueless and not even really intrested in the content and just there for quick exp/tomes/light/whatever.
Dont get me wrong - I'm happy about everyone who decides to try PvP! I dont want to keep that some of elitst-circle or anything - what I also dont want though is replies like "I'm just here to level"

Another thing that arises with adjusting the level is the gear - even if we all get synched down to certain ilvls it still makes a huge difference. During the Garo-event I've seen several people in TheFeast with around 6000 HP (because they were wearing NQ ilvl145 gear) - for me as a healer those people are a pain already. They're dead weight most of the time and I certainly dont want to see even more of that, sorry.