Advanced dungeons

[Bloody]

Sounds like PotD already for some people... but I think that in my particular example, the dungeons would have to be regulated somehow to prevent that scenario, like keeping them out of DF for a bit. Hell, I'd even take non-linear raids as a nice change of pace.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Sounds like PotD already for some people... but I think that in my particular example, the dungeons would have to be regulated somehow to prevent that scenario, like keeping them out of DF for a bit. Hell, I'd even take non-linear raids as a nice change of pace.

People used to pay for boss checkpoints in coil... thats why they took out the trash bits on savage alex.

[Ultimatecalibur]

People used to pay for boss checkpoints in coil... thats why they took out the trash bits on savage alex.

That was more the ADS forcing parties to have two jobs that can silence in order to pass. You could have a party that could easily handle Caduceus but unless you had a two Pld/Brd or a Pld/Brd with Monk you were locked out of Coil.

[Blueyes]

If the experience points awarded at the end of Palace of the Dead were cut in half and the purpose of the dungeon was more clearly focused on uncovering treasure chests and item rewards, I think we would have a place for people that want a little dungeon exploration. The content would be less populated, but in a world where standard dungeons are already a race to the finish I wish Palace of the Dead served a different purpose.

[LunaSnowfield]

Dungeons should remain simple with 3 bosses and quick.

Wonder why?

Relic weapons exists.

People wants to get the item/light/w.e in less than 10 minutes per run.

Having to deal with complex dungeons that can take around 25-40 minutes please no.

[Naunet]

People wants to get the item/light/w.e in less than 10 minutes per run.

I mean, you may as well ask to be able to click on a box with a 10 minute cooldown for your items at that point.

Nobody wants to actually play content in MMOs anymore...

[LunaSnowfield]

I mean, you may as well ask to be able to click on a box with a 10 minute cooldown for your items at that point.

Nobody wants to actually play content in MMOs anymore...

Because everything that SE throws at us are Japanese Grind fest (Do X x1000000000 times ) or ridiculous RNG.

When 99% of content is via Grind/RNG there is no place for epic-high content stuff. Plus everything is instanced/locked away from the "real " world map.

New people can't even watch cut scenes because of it.

[Ama_Hamada]

Because everything that SE throws at us are Japanese Grind fest (Do X x1000000000 times ) or ridiculous RNG.

When 99% of content is via Grind/RNG there is no place for epic-high content stuff. Plus everything is instanced/locked away from the "real " world map.

New people can't even watch cut scenes because of it.

Then suggest a different way of doing it!

instead of 100 lore for 10 mins or 24 light (or whatever it is) in 3, why not have a dungeon meant to run 30-40 mins that give 400 lore (or the lesser tombstone equivalent) 200 script (or w/e current tome is) with 320 light. These dungeons would be meant to take longer with more exploring.

[Legion88]

New people can't even watch cut scenes because of it.

This issue is born out of the rewarding at the end of the dungeon.
This could be countered by splitting the "firsttimer" bonus and reward a bit of it everytime after the firsttimer watched the cutscenes and doesn't skip them. In addition they could add a "light" bonus of the lowest grades to it.

Then suggest a different way of doing it!

instead of 100 lore for 10 mins or 24 light (or whatever tit is) in 3, why not have a dungeon meant to run 30-40 mins that give 400 lore (or the lesser tombstone equivalent) 200 script (or w/e current tome is) with 320 light. These dungeons would be meant to take longer with more exploring.

They could add optional ways which are rewarding you with additional light and/or tomestones, like spawnable "secret" bosses or special handling of mechanics

[loreleidiangelo]

Can't really speak for others here, but if I had the choice of running a challenging non-linear dungeon with reasonably difficult mechanics and mob placement three times a week to cap tomes vs faceroll 20-minute experts six times a week, I'd do it. But if I had to still run it six times a week like expert I'd never touch it.

Better yet, give me a totally brutalizing system like Wow's Mythic+ which is basically as hard as the hardest raid tier in the game except condensed down to five people instead of twenty, with ilevel gear rewards that match the challenge, and I'd be even happier.