Advanced dungeons

[Urthdigger]

One of the things I miss from 1.0 was the old style of dungeon design. Multiple objectives to complete during the dungeon and branching paths made them far more interesting to go through than the current "Pull trash to door, AoE, grab key if neccessary, kill boss, repeat" method we've currently got.

That said, I also understand the reasoning behind the change: When you need to constantly spam dungeons to collect tomestones, the last thing you want is to get stuck in a dungeon that takes ages due to weird mechanics.

So, a compromise: A separate set of dungeons titled "Advanced Dungeons" that are made more in the 1.0 style. Multiple paths, multiple objectives to obtain extra chests at the end, achievements for doing weird and unusual things along the way, etc. These dungeons would NOT be placed into the duty roulette, and maybe even should require a premade party like the old coil/savage raids. To compensate, they would offer rewards at a greater rate.

[dragonseth07]

The thing is, that's a lot of effort to make content like that that nobody will run more than a couple times. >_>

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

The thing is, that's a lot of effort to make content like that that nobody will run more than a couple times. >_>

The general rule was also, speed run and avoid as much as possible, since that was how the darklight gear chests spawned at the time lol

[Urthdigger]

The thing is, that's a lot of effort to make content like that that nobody will run more than a couple times. >_>

The idea is to give greater rewards for it, so that if one is willing to put in the additional effort, they can farm their goodies faster that way.

[dragonseth07]

The idea is to give greater rewards for it, so that if one is willing to put in the additional effort, they can farm their goodies faster that way.

People skip optional rewards in the dungeons we have now that are literally a 30-second walk away (looking at you Haukke Manor HM). It makes no difference.

[Driavna]

The thing is, that's a lot of effort to make content like that that nobody will run more than a couple times. >_>

GW2 is the proof you need of this. However, dungeons with random paths, events or even bosses are more than welcome.

PoTD already cover this, similar stuff for classic groups would be welcome.

[Remyus_Nara]

I enjoyed dungeons like Tam Tara HM where you were basically forced to go into the extra rooms and search the coffins. This whole speed running thing is getting annoying. I understand some people like it but every single dungeon in HW was basically a race even on release. I remember I got kicked from Gubal HM on release day because I wanted to read the lore in the dungeon.

[raela]

I enjoyed dungeons like Tam Tara HM where you were basically forced to go into the extra rooms and search the coffins. This whole speed running thing is getting annoying. I understand some people like it but every single dungeon in HW was basically a race even on release. I remember I got kicked from Gubal HM on release day because I wanted to read the lore in the dungeon.

For dungeons with lore tidbits, it's easier to use Return at the end then go through at your own pace. Or I guess form a lore premade..

As for branching paths.. it's hard enough to get some chests in certain dungeons (like the accessory chest after the first boss of the arboretum, before the walls). I can't see it being well utilized for DF, and I'm not sure if pre-made only would be worth the dev effort for designing it - it sounds like a lot of effort on their end for something that might be neglected by players.

[Niwashi]

For dungeons with lore tidbits, it's easier to use Return at the end then go through at your own pace.

I do this quite often, but wish they'd make it easier. Extend the time we can remain in a dungeon after it's over, and lower the level of remaining mobs the group left behind, so that if we want to go back and explore on our own, we can then solo the mobs that originally would have taken the whole group.

It would solve a lot of incompatible objectives problems if we could start by racing to the end for players who only want the completion rewards for the boss kill, then those interested in side objectives could take their time going back and exploring / looting the whole place.

[Keikun]

We definetely need dungeons created with more imagination instead of the A-------------------->B dungeons que have now.