How can I help beginner Healers in Dungeons

[Xerxus___]

Hi Guys

My main is War lvl 60, I wanted to ask you healers how I "could" help new healers to avoid future mistakes in dungeons or Raids. As and example I read alot in party chats Heals should turn of claric stance, wich ill be honest dont know the proper use of it. Since I constantly try to learn as a tank I want to learn how to help other new players as they often say, people dont care, or its their problem or people instantly leave as they see they are rly new to ff xiv. I specifically ask about healers as i have easier knowledge on dps due to my Wife, but healer is yet a very complicated way for me to support in anyway for beginners or guide them.

Ill say thank you in advance and thank you for keeping us alive.

Taka Karasu

[ManuelBravo]

The easiest way to to explain your actions. Example: pls don't cast or cast Regen while pulling or you will draw enmity. You can also advice on times, based on gear and difficulty, of when and how cleric stance works. However. pls keep in mind all healers work differently and have different skill sets. If you have healing jobs raised it may help you get a perspective of how they work. After all a person who has experience in that job will be taken more seriously than one that isn't. Here are some basics that I teach;

WHM; know when to to cast and times that it's ok to have cleric stance. Avoid Regen until pull is completed and learn how free cure works.

SCH: Know your faeries attributes and what triggers them.

AST: Know your cards and stances. Learn how royal road works.

Know cross classes, learn fast cast it is a MUST.

[bardaboo]

Teach them how to dps.

[winsock]

For brand new healers, there isn't much to say. Most gear at low levels have similar amounts of mnd/int so it usually isn't a big deal if Cleric stance is on all the time.

Their starting skill sets are pretty straightforward​ too. Ex. CNJ gets cure 1 for heals and that is about it.

Just make sure they aren't​ pulling aggro by healing too early or generating excess threat+wasting mp via overhealing. Make sure they are keeping you in range + in LoS. Always a plus if they contribute to DPS.

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Later on, the loss of MND in cleric stance causes a hefty healing penalty. Healers should activate heals out of cleric stance and activate DPS abilities​ in cleric stance.

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Toward vet status, you're working on optimizing dps, making compromises between MP efficiency and time efficiency, anticipating damage, working dat CC, etc.

[AegisKiddo]

Its the age old question "why do we fall?". My perspective isn't really trail by fire, more over let them learn at their own pace. In my experience those who want to push their class will, those who rather be more casual about it will. Lets not forget the rudimentary mantra of FF14, each dungeon/raid encounter is different and requires learning all on its own.

So I wouldn't fret if you wipe in a dungeon because the pull is to large, or you die to a tank buster with CDs applied, or even in the case you die purely because an inexperienced healer is in cleric stance. My approach is, if they ask for tips Ill lend them my ear, otherwise I'm a tacit onlooker

[Risvertasashi]

Its the age old question "why do we fall?". My perspective isn't really trail by fire, more over let them learn at their own pace.

Pretty much this. Be there to offer help/advice if asked (or they're clearly struggling, but it still pays to be diplomatic)... otherwise, let them learn as they play.

There are some common gotchas, though. For example, in DD, that Frog pull/stuff after the first boss can hit a lot harder than people expect in a leveling dungeon, especially since the crystals mean almost no healing is needed in the first part. (You'll see this again in Stormblood, people will wipe when they think they can treat leveling dungeons like endgame dungeons.) I've encountered a few newbie healers in SV that think Cure III is a better Cure II, and so on. Clear mistakes like that, maybe give them a nudge in the right direction.

[Xerxus___]

Allright, ill keep this all in mind thank you very much for ur help and opinion.

[NocturniaUzuki]

Example: pls don't cast or cast Regen while pulling or you will draw enmity.

As a healer main, with some minor experience in tank, I don't see why there are all these complaints about Regen while pulling. I mean, don't put Regen on the tank right before he pulls the first group of mobs, that's just silly. But as far as I know, it's pretty standard practice to Regen the tank during large pulls to keep his health up. As a healer main, I've done it both ways, but a good tank can grab aggro on everything even with Regen on, and from a healer's perspective, doing a long pull with no Regen can get really dangerous. For example, the last pull of Baelsar's Wall. If the tank doesn't use cooldowns, he can get destroyed when everything piles, and even with cooldowns it is occasionally dicey if there is enough damage done during the pull.

Anyways, the main point is just that tanks should be able to pull with a Regen. It's not that hard to just use Flash/Unleash as you walk by and grab everything, even if they aggro on the healer for a split second at the start.

[ManuelBravo]

As a healer main, with some minor experience in tank, I don't see why there are all these complaints about Regen while pulling.

I think you missed the point...for a beginner. It's a good practice to avoid for early levels, unless your tank is a vet and even then some tanks fail to understand the aoe enmity moves and rotations. Once they gain experience they can move to raid pulling and large pull tactics. remember every player is different, and the point is to teach. I can main any Tank / most DPS / and Healer roles so I can back up my statements. However, our level of experience and how we obtain it varies on various factors. Beginners need experience as solo, dungeon, and raids. As a healer you too should be able to gauge a tanks capability by their actions, gear, and how they pull. So Regen helps, they just have to learn when and how to use it properly.

[Taika]

As a tank, you can help newbie healers by making clear you're not going to get angry at them if they mess something up while they're learning. I appreciate it a lot when I see a tank encouraging a new healer to practice DPSing and not to worry in case something would go wrong and the tank would die. In practice, you can also help by using your own cooldowns well (obviously to reduce the healing required) and by letting a new healer know beforehand if you're switching to DPS stance and will be taking more damage.