Tank Stances.

[Neela]

You don't need tank stance you can run around in an expert/60 dungeon without it all (...) I never lose threat.

than use your gift and open a workshop for all those potd scrubs lately who never heard of tank stances at all... recommending to take tank stance off these days, just doesn't feel right, we have enough unskilled player around yet. don't feed their incompetence by telling them they would do it right... .____.

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Spam Abyssal drain while Scourging everything and having Salted Earth I never lose threat.

this won't be enough if you ll meet another equal skilled player at all... I lately started to use lp potions... cause it became more or less common that I see 8-9/10 mobs on my enmity bar after every 2nd buffed Deathflare... this is embarrassing... so no pls do not spread this off-tankstance mentality : /

[Awful]

than use your gift and open a workshop for all those potd scrubs lately who never heard of tank stances at all... recommending to take tank stance off these days, just doesn't feel right, we have enough unskilled player around yet. don't feed their incompetence by telling them they would do it right... .____.

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this won't be enough if you ll meet another equal skilled player at all... I lately started to use lp potions... cause it became more or less common that I see 8-9/10 mobs on my enmity bar after every 2nd buffed Deathflare... this is embarrassing... so no pls do not spread this off-tankstance mentality : /

Here's the problem with your comparison; you want people to get better in PoTD when it's probably one of the worst ways to level, if they haven't figured out tank stance or how to tank properly there's not much you can do about that it's a player base problem. I don't recommend to newbies to take of their tank stance that comes with experience and learning the job inside and out if i'm healing and a tanks in tank stance doing pulls I don't care, if i'm tanking I care because i'm the one doing the pulls, the extra DPS etc. You can also do PoTD 1-100 without a tank or even solo so it wasn't made for tanks per se, not to mention players can manipulate floors/mobs/buffs to make up for lack of tank with DPS shocking I know.

About your spreading this "nonsense" look at Syzzles post she did a gigantic pull without Grit on and did she lose threat? No. I even stated that I had a Smn in ilvl 268-269 who had an ilvl 270 book and fully melded Deathflaring and I didn't lose threat once. So you must be doing something wrong so don't blame it on the lack of emnity I stated i've had 0 issues even with a caster heavy group double SMN/ or SMN/BLM/WHM so I would say that this falls on you.

I will reiterate since you think i'm spouting ALL newbies tanks to take tank stance off, no i'm not this is aimed at 60 content as the good tanks know that you can keep threat out of stance 100% of the time this goes for dungeons, raids, EX primals and Alex Savage, you can tank all of Alex Savage out of tank stance and be fine. It's the majority of tanks haven't learned that they can hold threat without tank stance and honestly if you're not comfortable practice, pull everything with your tank stance on, pop a CD, and then spam your AoE/DPS combo.

[bswpayton]

Here's the problem with your comparison; you want people to get better in PoTD when it's probably one of the worst ways to level, if they haven't figured out tank

I think that most people know you can tank every form of content with no tank stance on certainly. I personally try to learn how to do any content withou tmy tank stance, I and others just think it can be risky pulling no stance with random people. I mean using your example I personally will def try to do more of what youve done , but I have had issues with healers , healing in tank stance period so I know that doing so without a stance could lead to more wipes.

[Neela]

Here's the problem with your comparison; you want people to get better in PoTD when it's probably one of the worst ways to level, if they haven't figured out tank stance or how to tank properly there's not much you can do about that it's a player base problem.

wait what?! I hate player who level their chars in potd - for me potd is the worst update se brought us since a long time, if not since the beginning. think u missunderstood my whole point.

About your spreading this "nonsense" look at Syzzles post she did a gigantic pull without Grit on and did she lose threat? No. I even stated that I had a Smn in ilvl 268-269 who had an ilvl 270 book and fully melded Deathflaring and I didn't lose threat once. So you must be doing something wrong so don't blame it on the lack of emnity I stated i've had 0 issues even with a caster heavy group double SMN/ or SMN/BLM/WHM so I would say that this falls on you.

for real? how can it be my fault if the tank looses enmity to my deathflare? its fact that most of the current tanks can't stand a ilvl 270 deathflare with 275 anima. if you are one of the less who actually can play your cls - fine good for you, me and everyone - but like I said more and more tanks I met can't deal with that, and telling them to tank off-stance cause its "easy" is just dumb.

got the feeling that you didn't even read my post at least in both points you haven't got what I said... .___.

I wouldn't do it with my SMN, who would probably crit everything off me so we'd be playing aggro tag, but it worked just fine with the party comp I had yesterday.

this is what im talking about dear Awful... this is my daily life as SMN nowadays cause of guys who don't care to use their stance and enmity skills right.

[Awful]

Snip.

You misunderstand me, what i'm saying is that PoTD doesn't teach tanks how to stance dance or the fundamentals of tanking the same could be said with any other class but that's a whole other beast. I did get your point of a string of Deathflares, and Fallen beat me to it by using Abyssal drain with it's emnity bonus vs Deathflare that is 600 potency for Abyssal, by the time you've gotten your next rotation out i'd already solidified a lead ahead of you.

Now if a SMN blows their load immediately once their in DwT then that's on them, so the argument is that it falls under the SMN at that point but if the tank can't hold threat normally in a normal setting of the SMN using DwT, Ruin III > Deathflare then it's on them.

and again, if you can deal with that its fine. although its not just deathflare vs. abysaal, there are baned buffed dots, painflare, dbl buffed enkindle, arealslash, shadowflare and bliz spam as well in burstmode... aside of this I just said to tell tanks its totally okay to go off stance is stupid.

Again you're wrong on this though a good tank DPSes and mitigates properly in conjunction with the team meaning a good tank knows what the groups capable of, pops the right CDs, can let the healer DPS while they DPS, in the end it's a group effort. If tanks were all hit your 1-2-3 and your AoE and do nothing and teaches players that turtling is okay then i'd tell DPS to keep their noses out of tanks business, honestly when I see a tank out of their tank stance holding threat, being a boss, and DPSing and striving towards their goals it's pretty damn awesome.

I frankly don't know where DPS get this mentality that enmity and mitigation are 1000% the tank's responsibility when more than half the other jobs in the game have party-based mitigation and aggro manipulation tools. Like "oh, it doesn't deal damage, I don't need to use it". GTFO.

Couldn't like this enough honestly.