Tank Stances.

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Okay so your definition of a tank is to just sit there and do 100-300 damage while hitting 1-2-3? That's not why people play tank, yes they want to handle mobs, yes they want to position them, but that's not wholly the reason at all. This isn't about "new tanks" this is about tanks and tank stance in general this is about common sense, since you decided to retort with a gigantic paragraph I think i'll educate you since you don't have an understanding that more DPS means that your healers heal you less, encounters are faster, less babysitting.

I have done many experts as a tank, i'm in full i270 way overgeared for the content I ran with my Whm friend who only Regen'd me (he's ilvl 262) and I only used Shadowskin + DA/Abyssal and guess what? He Holy'd, Assized and the mobs were dead and I took no damage how could this possibly be!? Am I playing reckless? No, in short i'm not, I had a Brd/Smn DPS combo things melted, Foes gave me more health back since Abyssal is magic in case you didn't know. I was hitting an average of 1200 Abyssal Drains normally, and crits were roughly 2.1k, I even got Baelsars Wall where I wasn't in Grit at all and we did just fine I dipped to 40% but then Abyssal Drained and shot back up to 80% because self healing.

So no dropping tank stance doesn't make you a liability I was actively using CDs, actively DPSing 100% of the time, 100% threat uptime and I got 2 comms out of it, this isn't show boating this is telling you the cold hard facts that this game is built around a DPS meta. You can turtle tank stance all you want and yes it is good for learning how to keep threat, but the end game goal if people want to push and learn themselves they have to drop tank stance or you won't reach that goal.

Look at Gordias for example if you didn't drop tank stance, didn't have STR accessories you weren't clearing it, period, same for A11S since it's the wall most people who are into raiding meet that wall quite inevitably get stuck on. Even if you are a perfect tank, don't get hit by an vulens and use your CDs properly and you're doing 400-600 DPS and you wipe at 1-2% guess whose fault it is? Yours. Tanks are required in end game raiding to DPS and i'm sure you know this but i'm reinforcing it so what's wrong with this in dungeons?

I'm not advocating for people to get out of their comfort zone and drop tank stance altogether no, but you are certainly wrong about a tank dropping their tank stance to push themselves further or show that they can mitigate out of tank stance while keeping threat. So please don't try to educate someone who knows how mitigation works I play how I play you do you, I honestly don't really care, end of the day I have fun with this game while waiting for SB and trying to be the best tank that I strive to be if that's so wrong and I don't push it on others why should you care?

Edit: the SMN was around ilvl 268-269 with a 270 weapon, BRD was 263ish I wanna say the only time the BRD almost pulled threat was the opener due to the burst they can do but after that it died down.