New Class Idea

[Wolfysbane]

So i know we have two new classes coming soon with stormblood next month and me being a BLM main i cant wait to try out the Red Mage however, i do have an idea for a class and i know we may never see something like this but me personally i would love it.

the class i have in mind is one that would use a Scythe by that i dont mean a Kama (short scythe basically) or one of the little scythes you attach to a chain im talking Grim Reaper status Scythe that is what i would like to see heck we could even call it a reaper class he could be either tnk or dps due to large aoe possibilities and high damage possibilities he could even be the first class to incorporate a life steal function in FFXIV (not including the skill bloodbath cuz thats just one skill) but this is just my opinion on this and something that i would like to see

oh and thanks to anyone who sees this and likes it and such maybe one day itll happen XD

[Jhett_Magnum]

Dark Knights use Scythes, and if I recall it was asked if we could get one already. I believe Yoshi-P or one of the lead designers said if people want it he'll do it.

......no one followed up on it...

[Talraen]

Dark Knights use Scythes...

...in FFXI and no other game in the series. And even there your initial weapon is a greatsword. The original Dark Knight (i.e., Cecil) used katana-style swords and shields, which was based on the similar (but different!) mystic knight from FFIII.

Sorry, but one of my biggest pet peeves is people who think FFXI is the gospel of the Final Fantasy series. :P

[TouchandFeel]

...in FFXI and no other game in the series. And even there your initial weapon is a greatsword. The original Dark Knight (i.e., Cecil) used katana-style swords and shields, which was based on the similar (but different!) mystic knight from FFIII.

Sorry, but one of my biggest pet peeves is people who think FFXI is the gospel of the Final Fantasy series. :P

Dark Knight was a class in FF 3, which is before Cecil who was in F4. Cecil uses a Dark Sword, which are magic swords imbued with darkness and more closely resemble a European long sword or maybe a bastard sword and not a katana. Mystic Knight (which is different than Rune Knight, the class of Celes from FF6) didn't appear until FF5. Also, while not super explicit as to classes, Leon from FF2 is classified/considered a Dark Knight.

Just wanted to clear that up.

But yes, FF11 was the only one that had Dark Knights use scythes and that one game by no means defines the series as a whole. It can be used as a reference point though.

[Talraen]

Dark Knight was a class in FF 3, which is before Cecil who was in F4. Cecil uses a Dark Sword, which are magic swords imbued with darkness and more closely resemble a European long sword or maybe a bastard sword and not a katana. Mystic Knight (which is different than Rune Knight, the class of Celes from FF6) didn't appear until FF5. Also, while not super explicit as to classes, Leon from FF2 is classified/considered a Dark Knight.

Just wanted to clear that up.

But yes, FF11 was the only one that had Dark Knights use scythes and that one game by no means defines the series as a whole. It can be used as a reference point though.

No. Dark Knights were not in FF3 until the DS release, 16 years after the original. In the original, they were "Demon Swordsman" or "Magic Swordsman" (the actual Japanese name being Makenshi, as opposed to the Japanese name for Dark Knights, Ankoku Kishi), though the most popular fan translation called them Mystic Knights, and they used level 1-3 white magic (which is why you can't really consider them Dark Knights). Their weapons are all katana, with the exception of the Moonring Blade and Ragnarok sword.

Cecil uses the same types of swords (curved and single-bladed; you can tell because of the slight extension at the top of the combat sword sprite) as FFIII Mystic Knights, which makes sense because FFIV is basically FFIII fanfic. However, they've never been given Japanese names like other katana in the series in any English translation, and Edge wields the swords with those typical names.

Pretty much all of this has been retconned into what you said, but I prefer to study the originals. :P

[TouchandFeel]

No. Dark Knights were not in FF3 until the DS release, 16 years after the original. In the original, they were "Demon Swordsman" or "Magic Swordsman" (the actual Japanese name being Makenshi, as opposed to the Japanese name for Dark Knights, Ankoku Kishi), though the most popular fan translation called them Mystic Knights, and they used level 1-3 white magic (which is why you can't really consider them Dark Knights). Their weapons are all katana, with the exception of the Moonring Blade and Ragnarok sword.

Cecil uses the same types of swords (curved and single-bladed; you can tell because of the slight extension at the top of the combat sword sprite) as FFIII Mystic Knights, which makes sense because FFIV is basically FFIII fanfic. However, they've never been given Japanese names like other katana in the series in any English translation, and Edge wields the swords with those typical names.

Pretty much all of this has been retconned into what you said, but I prefer to study the originals. :P

I'm going to simply agree to disagree here.

To me Makenshi are closer to and in my opinion, the precursor to, Dark Knight. For starters, the original name Makenshi translates closer to Dark Swordsman/Cursed Swordsman/etc., being a combination of maken (evil/cursed sword) and shi (person), similar to kenshi (ken/sword+shi/person --> swordsman), which conceptually is closer to Dark Knight than what the series has defined as Mystic Knight. Their specialized weapons, dark swords, were also darkness aspected. Yes, they had white magic but that fits with neither Dark Knight nor Mystic Knight, so you can't say that it steers them exactly in either direction. In my opinion (and Squeenix's apparently since that is what they changed it to) Makenshi's closest iconic job equivalent is Dark Knight.

It is true that Cecil is the first appearance of a class/job that fits what became the iconic form of Dark Knight with the ability Darkness/Soul Eater and psuedo black magic, however he is not the first reference to a Dark Swordsman/ Dark Knight due to the FF3 class and Leon from 2. Semantic argument really. I just don't consider Cecil the "original".

As for the swords, yes the Makenshi from 3 used what were most likely katana. Cecil, as far as I can tell, did not. I base this off all the original concept art for Cecil done by Amano which shows him to be using a sword most akin to a Western longsword based on the fact the sword has a cross-guard.

Anyhoo, I mainly was opposed to your usage of Mystic Knight as I feel it is incorrect since that is a different iconic FF job and it doesn't fit with the class from FF3. If you want to classify Makenshi as it's own unique job, I can get behind that. Cecil being the "original" is based on opinion and where you feel dark knight first truly appeared in the series.

[ADVSS]

Dark Knight was a class in FF 3, which is before Cecil who was in F4. Cecil uses a Dark Sword, which are magic swords imbued with darkness and more closely resemble a European long sword or maybe a bastard sword and not a katana. Mystic Knight (which is different than Rune Knight, the class of Celes from FF6) didn't appear until FF5. Also, while not super explicit as to classes, Leon from FF2 is classified/considered a Dark Knight.

Just wanted to clear that up.
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If youre talking about the ds remake yeah they called it dark knight and heavilly modified what it really did in that game.
The same exact class from the famicon version was a magic knight, which actually used level 1 white magic and used katana like the murasame etc. What i remember most about them is the need to use these swords in a specific pudding filled cave where the enemies would continuously multiply unless cut by one of these swords. Cecil does use "dark swords" but notice how the icon for them looks....exactly the same as edge the ninja's katana icon? At least it was that way in the original snes version

the ff3 version was usually translated to m.knight, which could mean mystic or magic also

[Wolfysbane]

Well we need to want it is love it lol

[Xlantaa]

Dark Knights use Scythes, and if I recall it was asked if we could get one already. I believe Yoshi-P or one of the lead designers said if people want it he'll do it.

......no one followed up on it...

Dark Knights uses scythes only in FFXI, and no other FF.

[Kazrah]

So the biggest issue is that in a game where development leans HEAVILY on historical accuracy when it comes to weapon styles, a reaper-style scythe doesn't work due to the fact that it was never used historically as a weapon of war due to problems with weight imbalance and too much strain on the upper part of the shaft (don't laugh ><). There were war scythes, but those were closer to some polearms you'd see on Dragoon. My guess is that that's why the greatsword was picked over the scythe for a Dark Knight weapon, because of that particular preference toward adhering to that weapon style preference (even though they still use the wrong technique for it).

That being said, I did make a concept for a Reaper job that uses such a scythe, but I made it as a spellcaster and a means of explaining what a necromancer-like job would look like in this game.