How many skills is too many?

[Deceptus]

Anything more than about 8-10 core skills + some other (10-15) utility is really starting to push it.

[Liam_Harper]

2 hotbars, including a few defensives, utility and sprint is just right tbh.

There's a bit of artificial difficulty in ff14 rotations, where we get redundant weak off-gcd's, extra dots or debuffs, small 10 sec cd's with 5% impact or extra stages in combos that aren't really necessary just to pad things out. I imagine the idea is to create a situation where maintaining a DoT, 3 buffs/debuffs, watching all your cd's, position and avoiding every mechanic creates a sensory overload that feels like difficulty until you gain enough muscle memory to mitigate that overload. Too much however just takes away from enjoying the fight itself and being able to put full attention into the mechanics.

FF14's not in a bad spot right now tbh. It certainly doesn't need dumbing down and I'd never want them to go the path WoW did which is hilariously over-simplified now, but it could do with some light trimming of the unnecessary stuff.

[Bright-Flower]

I would say that roughly three hotbars full of skills is good, but that's just me. I still like to have room for general things like a cpose button, limit breaks and mounts etc where I share a bar between jobs. More than that and the screen gets cluttered and things feel convoluted.

[Shurrikhan]

16-24 is ideal to me, including situational and universals (Potion, Sprint, LB, Duty Action).

But, that's still assuming that we're aiming for at least the depth than we have now. Now, it's not at all hard to take our current button count and fit all their decisions, playflow, and the like into that reduced button count with more intuitive deployment, and without losing a single option outside of Monk's gameplay (which could easily be revised to see an increase in control, rather than its core control element being removed or remaining so as per the pruning leading into Heavensward), but... this is XIV we're talking about.

[Jandor]

25 to 30 I think. Means if done right with the level cap at 80 we'd get a new skill roughly every 3rd level.

I wouldn't be too bothered if it's lower or maybe even a tad higher, mostly I'd like all jobs to have the same amount of buttons.

My Paladin actions fill out all my bars, means it looks like I forgot to equip half my skills when I swap to White Mage.

[Derio]

I cannot speak for PC. But as a PS4 player I currently use 48 with just 3 hot bars . For me personally you could add 1 more hotbar to add 16 more skills as a few of my 48 slots are used by emotes and mounts.

As long as they dont go over 60 its fine with me. I think if they went the pvp route with combos it could open up more slots.

[347SPECTRE]

3 crosshotbars are still comfortable to navigate during battle with controller
16 slots * 3 = 48 skills. Maybe 42 skills to save some slots for pots and macros

You can have up to 40 buttons on controller before having to switch cross hotbars, using r+l and the wCross hotbars.

Edit: kept miscounting, not in game to check visually.

[Avatre]

You can have up to 40 buttons on controller before having to switch cross hotbars, using r+l and the wCross hotbars.

Edit: kept miscounting, not in game to check visually.

Technically, you can have 48 different skills set on controller without using R1 to switch sets. Set 1(just because it's the default one) give 16, R2+L2 is 8 more, L2+R2 8 more, then double tapping either L2 or R2 is 8 more for each of those(totalling 16). 16+8+8+16 = 48

Of course this all relies on someone enabling all 3 of the cross hotbar types.

[347SPECTRE]

Technically, you can have 48 different skills set on controller without using R1 to switch sets. Set 1(just because it's the default one) give 16, R2+L2 is 8 more, L2+R2 8 more, then double tapping either L2 or R2 is 8 more for each of those(totalling 16). 16+8+8+16 = 48

Of course this all relies on someone enabling all 3 of the cross hotbar types.

Not sure where you're getting the extra bar from, but with L+R and both wCross Hotbars, you have 5 sets of 8 buttons. 8x5=40

[EorzeaHero69]

Over 9000 is too many.