[dev1251] Penalty for using market search feature

[Llewelyn]

People seem to forget FFXI had AH fees, it was towards the merchant not the consumer but none the less...bitches gonna bitch.


The only problem I have with the implementation is that transaction history resets at maintenance, though I'm sure this is a server side issue that may be remedied in the future.

Those were taxes. They made sense. The current system is becoming increasingly complicated and confusing to explain, without any real advantage. Give us an up-front auction house, where we can buy/sell there, and have taxes happen ONCE. Problem solved. There's nothing good about the market wards. It was an idea that tanked and we're still suffering with.

[NoctisUmbra]

Those were taxes. They made sense. The current system is becoming increasingly complicated and confusing to explain, without any real advantage.

Complicated and confusing?

If you're selling, you are imposed sales tax based on where you are selling.

If buying, you are imposed a very small convenience surcharge for not zoning into the wards. In order to not be priced higher than very cheap items, it is % based. In order to not discourage the use of the feature for very expensive items, it is capped at 4k.

Simple. Honestly, if you find this complicating don't even bother trying to lecture on economics.

Give us an up-front auction house, where we can buy/sell there, and have taxes happen ONCE. Problem solved. There's nothing good about the market wards. It was an idea that tanked and we're still suffering with.

1. Color me surprised that you want a traditional AH. /sarcasm

2. That is a very lovely opinion you have there. Thanks for sharing. I'll share mine, too. I love the Market Wards system. I feel it can use some improvements - some of which we are seeing now. However, I would not like to have the system abolished in favor of a traditional AH.

This is a matter of opinion. While this addition of directly buying from Item Search allows a sort of pseudo-AH experience for enthusiasts of the traditional system, it also - ever delicately - encourages the use of the Wards themselves. A compromise that has the potential to satisfy both sides.

Not surprising, however, that the more passionate AH enthusiasts feel cheated by this compromise because apparently they feel ever entitled to an AH, and anything less is not justified.

Right...

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P.S: It's a new page. Let's meet that quota.

[Masamune1004]

Give us an up-front auction house, where we can buy/sell there, and have taxes happen ONCE.

Charge me 10% for buying or selling? That's fine.

Charge me 5% for buying and selling?

[MaxWinter]

This post off topic but lol for the tags for this thread-dev1251,donkey knight,funny thread,market wards,my_precious_4k,trolls trolling trolls,turducken,whining,

[Masamune1004]

2. That is a very lovely opinion you have there. Thanks for sharing. I'll share mine, too. I love the Market Wards system. I feel it can use some improvements - some of which we are seeing now. However, I would not like to have the system abolished in favor of a traditional AH.

This is a matter of opinion. While this addition of directly buying from Item Search allows a sort of pseudo-AH experience for enthusiasts of the traditional system, it also - ever delicately - encourages the use of the Wards themselves. A compromise that has the potential to satisfy both sides.

Not surprising, however, that the more passionate AH enthusiasts feel cheated by this compromise because apparently they feel ever entitled to an AH, and anything less is not justified.

Very nice. I also like our current system of the wards, and would hate to see it destroyed because of the crybabies who want everything spoon-fed to them.

Also, have you seen this post? It's pretty funny imo.

"There is too much Gil in the game"
"Nothing to buy I have XXX million Gil"
"Money in this game is worthless"
"Money is so easy to get, they practically give it away"
etc...


Implement 5,000 gil charge for repairs
Implement 5,000 gil charge for airship
Implement 5% (max 4,000) gil charge for instant market ward transactions



WHY YOU GIL SINK MY SHIP!#!)$

[Masamune1004]

This post off topic but lol for the tags for this thread-dev1251,donkey knight,funny thread,market wards,my_precious_4k,trolls trolling trolls,turducken,whining,

TURDUCKEN!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NoctisUmbra]

Also, have you seen this post? It's pretty funny imo.

Oh! It looks a lot like this post:

"There is too much Gil in the game"
"Nothing to buy I have XXX million Gil"
"Money in this game is worthless"
"Money is so easy to get, they practically give it away"
etc...


Implement 5,000 gil charge for repairs
Implement 5,000 gil charge for airship
Implement 5% (max 4,000) gil charge for instant market ward transactions



WHY YOU GIL SINK MY SHIP!#!)$

[Gath]

Gath approves of this tax.

Gath has a lot of Gath gils.

Gath knows the market wards will crash from charging Gath tax, but that's okay, Gath will allow it to live.

Gath's 1 gil is worth more than your 1 gil©.

[ErnieKeebler]

Wow. Absolutely no moderation to clean up the trolling and +1'ing, but yet the thread was moved. Bravo, moderation team.

[Llewelyn]

Wow. Absolutely no moderation to clean up the trolling and +1'ing, but yet the thread was moved. Bravo, moderation team.

Yeah... no kidding. I don't mind people voicing their opinion (like I am), but the trolling is just... sad and pathetic.

well this is not strictly true. in a real economy our money does kinda disappear, we pay taxes which goes into the treasury. (true the government uses this to invest in schools, roads, etc) but this is money we never see as physical money again. so it does mirror a gil sink. however this is a game not real life. and gil sinks are needed all MMOs have gil sinks "i wonder if there is a reason for that?"

Yes, but that money goes TOWARDS something tangible. Even casinos go towards something tangible - the gamble of possibly winning more than you started with. These surcharges don't make any sort of "real world" kind of sense. You should 'get' something for spending money. And no, saving ~30 seconds isn't "getting" something.

And yes, this is a game and not real life, but that's a pretty irrelevant argument. I might as well say, "Why are there humans in this game? This isn't real life!" or any number of similar, but pointless arguements.

There's been research on in-game markets with the goal of explaining real-world economics through analysis of closed systems (in-game markets). They're more similar than you might think, even considering it's not "real world"

Far as people saying they like the market wards... what about how some wards get full and you can't put your retainer there? What about how it doesn't tell you which of your items sold (or when), and the only way to figure it out is to keep a list of what you've put in your bazaar? What about the fact that it's just a huge mob of NPCs standing there, looking completely out of place, when it doesn't serve any real purpose beyond being a time sink?

Flea markets have their place in the real world. But the market wards looks like Batallia Downs did in FFXI - tons of bazaars open. The difference here is that we can now make a giant star appear over what we're looking for... but its every bit as much of an eyesore, at the very least.