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  1. #61
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    Skeltal-Bons's Avatar
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    Eliza Tepes
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    Tonberry
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    Monk Lv 70
    The umbrite step has become infamous for being grindy as fuck, and my only problem with it, which is something I don't ever want to see repeated, is that there is only one method to get it, you grind lore.

    When the umbrite nerf was announced I was hoping for a quest that gave umbrite as a reward for, say, completing all three of the heavensward 24-man raids, or making it an item attainable from diadem, either through lockboxes or exchange with brass spoils.

    I wouldn't mind umbrite at all if I had 2 or 3 options to choose from, especially with how many ways you can get crystal sand.
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    "If you have come to the godmother for a favor, you must first pay her your respects"

  2. #62
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    Felis's Avatar
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    Skadi Felis
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    Ragnarok
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    Pugilist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Skeltal-Bons View Post
    I wouldn't mind umbrite at all if I had 2 or 3 options to choose from, especially with how many ways you can get crystal sand.
    The options of contents, that give lore tomes, is not really small
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  3. #63
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    Skyrior's Avatar
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    Skiros Drakon
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    Jenova
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Anima is nerfed to oblivion already lol. Every step except light is completely trivial it's a joke. You can complete 13 Animas if you wish ez.
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  4. #64
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    Kaethra Tatrinae
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Skyrior View Post
    Anima is nerfed to oblivion already lol. Every step except light is completely trivial it's a joke. You can complete 13 Animas if you wish ez.
    Time =/= Difficulty

    If you can collect one, you can collect ten, or one hundred. The question is when does it stop becoming fun to do?

    Personally I'd like the see the grindy steps taken out entirely and replaced with actual skill based encounters. Of course those against the idea are content with their easy grind, because an actual challenge would be a wall to them.
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  5. #65
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    Daiki Kiyoshi
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    Leviathan
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    Black Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaethra View Post
    Time =/= Difficulty

    If you can collect one, you can collect ten, or one hundred. The question is when does it stop becoming fun to do?

    Personally I'd like the see the grindy steps taken out entirely and replaced with actual skill based encounters. Of course those against the idea are content with their easy grind, because an actual challenge would be a wall to them.
    If you want an actual challenge for an i275 weapon there's Alexander Savage. Relic was never meant to be challenging but it IS meant to be time consuming.
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  6. #66
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    Elara Almasombria
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    Sagittarius
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by DaikiKiyoshi View Post
    If you want an actual challenge for an i275 weapon there's Alexander Savage. Relic was never meant to be challenging but it IS meant to be time consuming.
    Bingo, Relics are there to keep people busy. Also for Anima you don't need to do anything special, daily stuff is enough not like Z weapons.
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    Blufnix Greedalox
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    I quite enjoy the grindy aspects. I disagree that completely taking out the grind and switching it out with pure challenge content would solve anything, because really the only content that could replace the hours of grinding with challenge would be 4-8-12 Savage level. At that point you could just do A12S for a 275 anyhoo.
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  8. #68
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    Gemina Lunarian
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    Siren
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Driavna View Post
    Bingo, Relics are there to keep people busy. Also for Anima you don't need to do anything special, daily stuff is enough not like Z weapons.
    I find even current nerfed-to-oblivion Z-relics more difficult to obtain IF it is your first time leveling a class to 50+. I did two of them, separately. I am currently working on two animas simultaneously and the stress is nowhere near what it was for the Z-relics despite being my first jobs to 60.

    But I agree, it is meant to be a time dump. It is meant to be grindy. Relics are a great way to keep a player occupied and into instances that are also being ran by others for a myriad of reasons. And in the end, you get a REALLY nice glamour; suitable for combat well into the next expansion, that cannot be obtained any other way. It baffles me that people gripe about choosing to partake optional content.
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