Thread: So I'm not seeing how this is them changing things up from 2.0/3.0

Originally Posted by KokonoeAiyoko

People can keep saying this, but it will forever remain hyperbolic and untrue. No, we aren't expecting an entirely different game, we are wanting different content in the same game. Read HakaseNyan's post on this page for one of the many examples posted in this thread.

Other modern and old MMORPG's have done this, SE has done this in the past with success, they can do it again.

What has been announced that isn't different? THere's plenty of new stuff coming, even new jobs. What am I missing here?

Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

2. Heavensward maps were already a major step above ARRs maps. Add in the dimension of underwater and perhaps it'll at least feel bigger.

You think so? HW open-world is awful compared to ARR imo. Larger canvas = less refined.

For me it's about correcting HW mistakes (leas what I thought were). #1 open world negative space #2 raid tiers back to ARR's regular difficulty & savage option.

Of course that's not happening though so I'm pretty :[

My concern goes with leveling up portion. ARR 1-49 is still the best aspect to this game, rushing people passed to HW grind to SB grind just to get them to hop on the end-game treadmill faster. That has me concerned.

Originally Posted by KokonoeAiyoko

1. No intention of adding new character customization options in the future.
2. Maps the same size as Heavensward with the same amount of areas.
3. Hunts returning in the same mindless zerg fashion.
4. No new graphical options.
5. More tomestones and they'll have the same weekly limitations.

We're getting an underwater feature, but so far it seems as if this is the same "safe" expansion Heavensward was. What's really here that's going to shake things up for the players? All the vibes I'm getting at the moment is that this is another Heavensward, which is confusing as the budget is a lot higher.

Well, they never indicated they were changing 1, 3, or 5. 4 isn't really true, they are tweaking the graphics along with the new minimum specs, as I understand it. I don't know why 2 is surprising.

I'm perfectly OK with "another Heavensward." New story, new zones, cool new jobs, new stuff I'm still having fun doing two years later? Sign me up! The only thing I didn't like about Heavensward was how they made crafting suck, and by uncapping the high-end scrips and not introducing new systems it seems they're going to avoid that pitfall.

Higher budget doesn't necessarily mean more content. It could and should mean better content, better planning, and less issues. And it also clearly means more marketing (see also: Wrestlemania).

It's not that we expect a new game, but there are just certain things you can really only do so much of before it gets tiresome to some. To a large portion of the community, the game is getting stale and I'm hearing less and less people getting excited for the game. People who WERE excited are becoming more disappointed the more they find out about SB. That's not good. Yes, plenty, -plenty- of people will still play and that's fantastic! But if a company keeps losing more and more customers, eventually it'll be a trickle where a grand river once flowed.

There are basic things that would add to the game, aside from character customization.
Easier crafting - such as pulling from retain inventories without having to dig around.
More open and expressive dungeons. While I don't play WoW much at -all-, it's dungeons were huge and fun. Even GW2 had incredibly fun dungeons to run.
More raids like the Coils were. Making something have a seemingly endless pool of life does not make it HARDER, it just makes it more tedious (imo).
Add flying to older zones now, we're coming up on a new xpax and you have you have to be level 50 to even unlock flying, so new players -aren't- going to ruin the original maps for themselves. They still have to travel by chocobo.
More interaction with the environment. Eorzea is BEAUTIFUL but it's a lot of wasted space. Have FATEs actually impact areas temporarily depending on fails / successes. Add random treasure chests around the world to encourage exploration. Add random NPCs that get in trouble and need help from mobs and they'll give you something cheap - food or potions - just for helping them out.

We've had the same discussion when Heavensward came out and the answer is still the same: It's an expansion, not a new game.
Sure, some new angles to certain content would be very nice (looking at you, one-way-rush-through-dungeons), but I wouldn't expect them to change things up completely.

The level 70 gear you get from the box is just something to hold you over until you get the tomestone set over the following weeks of capped grinding and will help with level 70 instances having a set in stone gear minimum. They are going to be left behind quickly.