A consern about space efficieny since stormblood is not getting enough space increase

[SokiYagami]

there are problems, but there are also solutions available, just not for free.

Are people seriously threatening to unsub over inventory space?

I understand that it's not ideal, but unsubbing seems incredibly petty.

And this is the problem we have with modern gaming. Publishers tried to sell a product that is missing certain features considered a norm at a similar price and there are still people who not only accept it as right, but also defend this questionable decision against anyone who dares question it. You know what's the best part? When there are people who give up or considering to do so, said defenders call them petty for doing so. If this isn't blind white knighting, I don't know what it is. I mean come on! It's fine you don't agree with the people requesting for the change, but when they choose to vote with their wallet, can you at least spare us the smirky snarky comment?

And let me try to convince the rest of you who don't have inventory issue, this change can still benefit you, yes, you, someone who excel at inventory management and have no space issues. Assuming the suggestions are implemented decently (not even ground-breaking or out of this world, just good enough), having a glamour log makes it easier to find stuff since it serve as an all-in-one location to access your gears. It can be sorted by jobs > category > levels and comes with a search box that support partial text search. Or it can be sorted by events/job quest/veteran rewards instead. Sounds familiar? I'm sure you do, it's what the mb/crafting log/armoire do. Gone are the days where you have to dig through your retainers/armoire or trace down which NPC you can repurchase the gear from, just one interface to rule them all.

Similar rules apply to currency. In a single UI window, common currency section that is unaffected by expansion for your gil/GC & hunt seals/scripts then expansion grouped section for primal/beast tribes/raid tokens, all under your currency page at one glance. No more cluttering of your inventory. Out of sight, out of mind.

Same thing goes on for tackle box and condensing of crafting/gathering materials, but since I'm not too familiar with those, I'll leave it to the other users to expand upon the possibility in case anyone is wondering.

TL;DR: please come up with some better counter argument if you're against this QoL request and/or stop being a selfish insert-random-insult-here. Or you know, just ignore this thread thank you.

[Krotoan]

, can you at least spare us the smirky comment?

when did I say anything other than in a respectful and reasonable way? And did you mean snarky? smirky? I'm not familiar with that term.
it's not white knighting to present a different view.
SE is still a company, and will do everything they can to bring in revenue. This is a given. However I don't feel we're being "ripped off" or shortchanged. This is a difference of opinion, not an unwarranted defense of them. They are doing many good things and a few cruddy things. My purpose in posting is to present my view and possibly broaden how you or anyone else following this thread sees the situation.

[SokiYagami]

when did I say anything other than in a respectful and reasonable way? And did you mean snarky? smirky? I'm not familiar with that term.
it's not white knighting to present a different view.
SE is still a company, and will do everything they can to bring in revenue. This is a given. However I don't feel we're being "ripped off" or shortchanged. This is a difference of opinion, not an unwarranted defense of them. They are doing many good things and a few cruddy things. My purpose in posting is to present my view and possibly broaden how you or anyone else following this thread sees the situation.

The snarky (thanks for correcting me, I'm still working on my English) and more or less white knighting portion was directed at Kaiden. The "shortchanged" part (by your words) was directed at you. When a company put a product up on (in?) the market, customers will inevitably compare it to similar products already present in the market. Inventory space is an issue with some players, and when certain methods that can help ease said issue is common in other similar products (hence a standard) is missing over here, and the only "solution" SE can provide now is additional charges on top of complaining about server issue all the time, it's really hard to give them the benefit of doubt.

If I'm watching a drama right now, the dialog would be something like this:

"Oh hey listen up, we know some of you been having issues with inventory space, but we can't give you more of them because #server-issues, but you can rent it instead for $2 a month. Just take it, and go."

And let's be fair, as much as I love XIV, SE reputation is... just do a quick google yeah? I hope we can get some quality QoL changes in the future.

[Paladinleeds]

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So, I do have the means to purchase extra retainers (though 2 free + 2 paid seems to be enough inventory space for me to work with), however, there are those that have already rented 6 extra retainers. For a total of 8. They're still struggling with inventory space and SE won't even let them throw more money at them to hire extra retainers. Though SE shouldn't be nickle and diming us for retainers, if I'm being truthfully honest. I've made excuses for this in the past (albeit inadvertently) but people are right, there is definitely a problem here.

And, as the problem becomes more and more acute, more and more people are going to tell FFXIV to "Shove it" and quit, and will go to other games that aren't as nickle and dimey. There are people here who are quitting over it, and this means less revenue for SE. And I expect there'll be a lot of "Silent quitters" too (those who quit without saying anything).

[Solarra]

does 2 dollars a retainer really break the bank for all y'all?

What if it does? Looking down on people with lower incomes and implying they should simply cut out a couple of luxuries and pay up is both rude and condescending. It is also totally missing the point. This is a subscription game, we shouldn't have to pay extra for basic utilities. Extra retainers are supposed to be a luxury, not absolutely necessary to play the game. The expanded Armoury was a step in the right direction but it isn't anywhere near enough, it's still hard to level multiple classes and store all the gear-sets needed for them along with their glamours.

I do agree that the currency tab should be expanded and that the Armoire needs to be made more useful. Quite a few times recently I've decided against buying glamour from the Mog-station because I know I'll have trouble storing it. If I could put it in the Amoire it would be different, but paying for the gear and then paying even more money to rent the space to store it is something I'm not prepared to do.

[Krotoan]

What if it does?

Playing an online game is a crazy luxury. You are spending both time AND money on something completely non productive. If you have the 12-15 dollars a month to pay for a subscription, it's hard to imagine someone who can't cough up 2 dollars per month for something else. If I had to worry about 2 dollars a month, the last thing I would be doing is playing video games.
I've gone for a long time with 2 free retainers. I only made the decision to grab the other 2 recently because it became more trouble than it was worth to parse down my crafting mats into expensive/rare only.

I'm not saying you HAVE to pay, just that the pricing for extra services in this game aren't unreasonable.


and before I get the "RENTING SPACE" argument: you are renting space already by subscribing, agreeing to rent MORE space isn't a sin.

[Shurrikhan]

you are renting space already by subscribing

I have a friend at a live-in workplace that included "room and board", a selling point at the time as the pay wasn't very good. But we're talking heavy labor, while breakfast was a donut and coffee, lunch a pb&j, and dinner similarly light.

Anything more required a meal plan, utterly absent from mention before he sold his apartment and started work there.

Here the meals, so to speak, are decent enough, but still not always proportionate to what would be expected for the full range of activity involved.

See why someone might feel cheated?

[Krotoan]

See why someone might feel cheated?

It's not that I don't understand your position, I get it. I sympathize as well. It's unpleasant that you cannot play the game as you like since you held up your end of the contract by paying your sub.
but I never expected more than more quests and content when i payed for my expansion , and fully expected to have to do better inventory management OR pay for more premium services to compensate.
the part I don't understand is people arguing that "other games do this... ". OK.. cool. This one doesn't and has never hidden what it is. There are free trials and many online resources to elaborate on how it plays out for what you pay.
You claim false advertisement, but I see no such claims made by SE.

[Snow_Princess]

Playing an online game is a crazy luxury. You are spending both time AND money on something completely non productive. If you have the 12-15 dollars amonth to pay for a subscription, it's hard to imagine someone who can't cough up 2 dollars per month for something else. If I had to worry about 2 dollars a month, the last thing I would be doing is playing video games.
I've gone for a long time with 2 free retainers. I only made the decision to grab the other 2 recently because it became more trouble than it was worth to parse down my crafting mats into expensive/rare only.

I'm not saying you HAVE to pay, just that the pricing for extra services in this game aren't unreasonable.


and before I get the "RENTING SPACE" argument: you are renting space already by subscribing, agreeing to rent MORE space isn't a sin.

I think you are mistaking a lack of seeing a desperate need for something as not wanting it. Sure, more efficient inventory management and a glamour log would be nice, i just dont see the burning need for it.

I am posting for:

Who did this recently:


Hello, I am still on the fence of quitting, 68 days is quite away. The TC is my tenant of the house I own in the background, and my sissy here is posting for me because I can't myself due to my forum name. I am a level 70-2star omni-crafter of balmung, along with having all DOW/DOM/DotL/DotH 60+, with 5-70s (1 tank, 2 healer, 1 range dps, 1 caster dps)

I glam every job, I specifically level 60-70 one at a time and seal gear because of inventory issues, even though I am going to need them again. I may keep some left, but for the most part I only save the 63 sets for glam, and the 300 sets to have a receptive Ilevel for that job to learn and do other things in. I also have a friend that does this very thing including the next I am about to say. I have a 309 AST and a 304 WHM, why? despite sharing gear? they can be both 309 easy. They are not because we glam EACH job! we would also like to have split glams for our gathers and crafters, but we lack room (armory) to do this. I keep my glam set on me with the job I am currently leveling while putting the rest in my primarily glam retainer who is overfilled at 175 spots and leak to others. I waste so much time and stress over lack of space.

I do not like some people claiming the issue is simply hordering. I can't even craft the 320 gear in a respectable amount of time because I have to keep selling off overflows because I have no room to hold it. I have no room to craft and all I am doing is making 50-70 things. Calling this a hording issue with all the stress I have to go though to craft such a small portion of the game is an insult. I have 8 retainers, it is not enough room, and these 8 retainers cost too much money. For non legacy monthly it is 27.99 a month, for me it is 117 for 6 months with legacy and 6 lump discount, what MNO charges that much money? Then tack on the overpriced items in the mog shop on top of that? and you do not understand why people feel ripped off? You make it sound people are just complaining about 2 dollars a month, they are not, they are complaining 4-12 dollars a month (plus a 9-15 dollar month sub) while not having enough room.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ers_nightmare/

Even if you think it is not desperate need, you still said it would be nice to have, so you should be simply supporting the thread, not insulting people and calling them horders. I can buy iron ore from a NPC in my house, same with Cotton Bolls and other such things. I can easly keep a stack of these on me so I am not wasting time running to the NPC everyone something sells that is based on it. Now I do not have the room to do that anymore so I use what I need at the time. It eats so much time I need to question why is 5-20 gil mat sold by a NPC doing in 50-70 synths for? It is not fun, it is item bloat, this game has too much items, this game has too much item currency bloat.

I asked my novice network to try get a more idea of what maybe the average player feels. I only had one person tell me they are thinking about quitting over this issue while the rest where confused. A few did not even know what a currency was, simply calling them a "misc item" I shown the definition of currency:

something (such as coins, treasury notes, and banknotes) that is in circulation as a medium of exchange

I have a retainer full of currency, and I tossed some recently that I hated doing but I needed to because of no room. It is ridiculous I am tossing out items I need simply because others are more important. We should not have so much currency as items.

Per retainer does not have enough space, we lack the ability to transfer between retainers directly, I do not have enough room to move items from retainer > myself (while moving items to that retainer as temp because I do not have enough room for one way) > move to 3-6 different retainers and keep repeating this. Once you do this enough times the slow loading of each retainer and the slow menu pop up and retainer menu bloat (and overall bad UI) gets on your nerves. Of all the problems holding this game back, this would be the biggest one, and seeing a thread have 197 likes should prove that.

I do not like doing ventures sometimes because of room issues, I hate getting some drops in dungeons because of room issues. I just want the retainers not to give me the useless items they find because I do not want to see it in my packed bag. This needs addressing.

[Krotoan]

..Even if you think it is not desperate need, you still said it would be nice to have, so you should be simply supporting the thread, not insulting people and calling them horders...
..I do not like doing ventures sometimes because of room issues, I hate getting some drops in dungeons because of room issues. I just want the retainers not to give me the useless items they find because I do not want to see it in my packed bag. This needs addressing

I don't think I've insulted anyone in this thread once. Intentionally anyway.
suggesting I blindly support someone because I agree with some of what they say is silly. I have my own take and will voice it.
agreed: Currency as items is silly and should be changed.
disagree: your stance on ventures and dungeons is strange to me, why do you HAVE to keep the items you get from ventures and dungeons? Sell/dis them immediately and don't roll on items you don't want/have space for in dungeons (drop trash pots/items).

I get this is all severely inconvenient for you and yes, I agree a lot of it could use work.

my particular situation I have all my DOH classes at 60 and 2/3 DOL are at 70, Unless I'm crafting something in particular I only keep things that are time locked or difficult to get in HQ. Everything else I can send a retainer for or purchase from an NPC.
I agree recipes are crazy complicated , especially culinarian. I am not saying your position is wrong, just that there are ways to mitigate it currently, all involve time investments though, so yeah... I guess I am paying for item bloat in one way or another.

Don't think I'm against you just because I have a few counter-points, I would love these things to be fixed, otherwise I would just silently sit and deal.
my main point is that the problem isn't the availability of retainers, it's the items themselves and the underlying way the servers deal with inventory.