A consern about space efficieny since stormblood is not getting enough space increase

[Berethos]

Did you not read my post at all?

(40k gold is NOT much gold, by the way.)

You mean this one?

Don't forget the ubiquitous bank alts. It's very easy to form your own guild and max out the guild bank tabs, which adds up to HUGE amounts of storage for various things. Also, WoW's banking system now has a crafting mats storage separate from the bank space itself.

Or the one where you shifted to a different amount of bank tabs that isn't the max, which is a clarification that, had it been present in your original post about guild bank tabs, I wouldn't have pointed out that maxing a guild bank isn't actually "very easy."

Emphasis mine, just so we're on the same page.

Also, I didn't say it was a lot (in WoW terms, if you know what you're doing, you can certainly make millions fairly easily). I said you overestimated the number of players that will find making that amount easy. Important distinction.

Just like in FFXIV, the majority struggle to break a certain gil amount, while the minority have figured it out and can amass anywhere from a few million gil to 10s of millions of gil in pretty short order.

[Naunet]

I never had millions of gold in WoW. I think you're vastly overestimating how hard it is to get enough gold to do things (even maxing a guild bank).

To get back to the crux of the point: there is far greater inventory accessible in WoW. Expanding your inventory does not require you invest real money (especially not in an extra monthly fee) and is easily obtained through even extremely casual play (I literally just do Garrison dailies, occasionally farm old raids for transmog, and craft right now). The transmog collection log and the crafting mat storage in your personal bank, plus the way WoW stores ALL currency items in a currency tab, on top of all the accessible storage options, means you pretty much never have inventory issues anymore. (The Void Storage thing still exists also, though it's fairly limited in what types of stuff you can put in there.)

[SokiYagami]

Usually a post comprised only of previous quotes, ending with those previously given by the poster, infers that a counterargument still stands or has yet to be addressed; i.e. points of previous discussion are still available, and the broader discussion cannot continue in any productive manner until a warrant concept, likely held by those points, is resolved.

At risk of misinterpretation, I think the poster is wondering why your finding the suggested changes less than vital personally is reason enough to argue against them, as the placement of your replies over the last pages would suggest. Just my best guess.

Thus far, you don't seem to have determined that the suggested changes would come at a cost to any more worthwhile venture or development path; rather, you seem to argue against it solely because you feel that others have conflated its importance, regardless of what portion realistically stands. I apologize if I've misunderstood. But, perhaps they are waiting to hear what the game actually stands to lose from a quality of life improvement such as the ones suggested?

Why thank you, pretty much sums up what I meant.

As I said originally, characters themselves got a 40% inventory increase, which is quite a bit. Expanding
inventory more will not help, as people will find more things to hold on to. Its not inventory that needs expanding. There needs to be a compromise between the devs adding in certain functions, and the players not holding on to every single thing in existence just in case they may need it at some point.

Now this is actually a valid point which pardon me if I'm wrong, wasn't brought up at all in this thread until now. I agree that with new space there will be people finding more stuff to fill it up and return to square one. A balance has to be struck at some point, but currently I think we are too far titled on the other end. There are standards in terms of what can be achieve in the aspect of inventory space. SE has given the option to access to more stuff (one character, all jobs) but fail to keep up with the other competitors in terms of effective methods to save space. Examples have been listed by other users in the thread. People keep mentioning that players should work on inventory management, I agree, but I also think SE should work on efficiency to reduce memory footprint and item bloat.

Eh... no. To be honest, most of the post are more along the lines of "this isn't a problem for me, hence it isn't a problem" than whatever you're trying to claim. Once again, inventory management is important, but it's not the final solution for everyone. Yes, there are extreme hoggers that keep even the damn strand of hair a random NPC dropped just because reasons, but I believe it's safe to say that they are the minority. However the rest of the players who decided to dip into every single piece of content provided by the game shouldn't be punish in terms of convenience when other competitors have already proven solutions are possible for said situation.

Just take a look at how the stuff from kupo store and special event which cost real life cash can't even be stored into armoire or repurchase from NPC (aka hogging inventory slots) and tell me that you honestly believe with all your heart that there is seriously no intentional inventory bloat going on in the game.

With all the turmoil and disconnects during the expansion launch, im pretty glad i didnt lose anything, due to the way they do character backups. I bet if they did the opposite, and changed that to add more inventory, instead of this thread, you would see one complaining about people losing stuff during said instability problems.

Valid concern, however, I'm not sure if you didn't read or I miss out on something, but most of the suggestions are actually more on offloading existing items elsewhere (you know, to improve storage efficiency) rather than expanding on the inventory on hand. Theoretically speaking, since the suggestions are to move it off our character to somewhere where it shouldn't require constant read/write operations, it shouldn't be affected by any roll back issues. Can someone else who also play other MMOs share their view regarding rollback and its effect on stuff like glamour logs and a bigger currency window?

[Snow_Princess]

Playing an online game is a crazy luxury. You are spending both time AND money on something completely non productive. If you have the 12-15 dollars amonth to pay for a subscription, it's hard to imagine someone who can't cough up 2 dollars per month for something else. If I had to worry about 2 dollars a month, the last thing I would be doing is playing video games.
I've gone for a long time with 2 free retainers. I only made the decision to grab the other 2 recently because it became more trouble than it was worth to parse down my crafting mats into expensive/rare only.

I'm not saying you HAVE to pay, just that the pricing for extra services in this game aren't unreasonable.


and before I get the "RENTING SPACE" argument: you are renting space already by subscribing, agreeing to rent MORE space isn't a sin.

I think you are mistaking a lack of seeing a desperate need for something as not wanting it. Sure, more efficient inventory management and a glamour log would be nice, i just dont see the burning need for it.

I am posting for:

Who did this recently:


Hello, I am still on the fence of quitting, 68 days is quite away. The TC is my tenant of the house I own in the background, and my sissy here is posting for me because I can't myself due to my forum name. I am a level 70-2star omni-crafter of balmung, along with having all DOW/DOM/DotL/DotH 60+, with 5-70s (1 tank, 2 healer, 1 range dps, 1 caster dps)

I glam every job, I specifically level 60-70 one at a time and seal gear because of inventory issues, even though I am going to need them again. I may keep some left, but for the most part I only save the 63 sets for glam, and the 300 sets to have a receptive Ilevel for that job to learn and do other things in. I also have a friend that does this very thing including the next I am about to say. I have a 309 AST and a 304 WHM, why? despite sharing gear? they can be both 309 easy. They are not because we glam EACH job! we would also like to have split glams for our gathers and crafters, but we lack room (armory) to do this. I keep my glam set on me with the job I am currently leveling while putting the rest in my primarily glam retainer who is overfilled at 175 spots and leak to others. I waste so much time and stress over lack of space.

I do not like some people claiming the issue is simply hordering. I can't even craft the 320 gear in a respectable amount of time because I have to keep selling off overflows because I have no room to hold it. I have no room to craft and all I am doing is making 50-70 things. Calling this a hording issue with all the stress I have to go though to craft such a small portion of the game is an insult. I have 8 retainers, it is not enough room, and these 8 retainers cost too much money. For non legacy monthly it is 27.99 a month, for me it is 117 for 6 months with legacy and 6 lump discount, what MNO charges that much money? Then tack on the overpriced items in the mog shop on top of that? and you do not understand why people feel ripped off? You make it sound people are just complaining about 2 dollars a month, they are not, they are complaining 4-12 dollars a month (plus a 9-15 dollar month sub) while not having enough room.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ers_nightmare/

Even if you think it is not desperate need, you still said it would be nice to have, so you should be simply supporting the thread, not insulting people and calling them horders. I can buy iron ore from a NPC in my house, same with Cotton Bolls and other such things. I can easly keep a stack of these on me so I am not wasting time running to the NPC everyone something sells that is based on it. Now I do not have the room to do that anymore so I use what I need at the time. It eats so much time I need to question why is 5-20 gil mat sold by a NPC doing in 50-70 synths for? It is not fun, it is item bloat, this game has too much items, this game has too much item currency bloat.

I asked my novice network to try get a more idea of what maybe the average player feels. I only had one person tell me they are thinking about quitting over this issue while the rest where confused. A few did not even know what a currency was, simply calling them a "misc item" I shown the definition of currency:

something (such as coins, treasury notes, and banknotes) that is in circulation as a medium of exchange

I have a retainer full of currency, and I tossed some recently that I hated doing but I needed to because of no room. It is ridiculous I am tossing out items I need simply because others are more important. We should not have so much currency as items.

Per retainer does not have enough space, we lack the ability to transfer between retainers directly, I do not have enough room to move items from retainer > myself (while moving items to that retainer as temp because I do not have enough room for one way) > move to 3-6 different retainers and keep repeating this. Once you do this enough times the slow loading of each retainer and the slow menu pop up and retainer menu bloat (and overall bad UI) gets on your nerves. Of all the problems holding this game back, this would be the biggest one, and seeing a thread have 197 likes should prove that.

I do not like doing ventures sometimes because of room issues, I hate getting some drops in dungeons because of room issues. I just want the retainers not to give me the useless items they find because I do not want to see it in my packed bag. This needs addressing.

[Talianore]

Despite all of wow's issues, the appearance tab was a godsend. I'm somewhat surprised that the currency tab in this game has not been expanded to include all of the various currencies.

[Krotoan]

..Even if you think it is not desperate need, you still said it would be nice to have, so you should be simply supporting the thread, not insulting people and calling them horders...
..I do not like doing ventures sometimes because of room issues, I hate getting some drops in dungeons because of room issues. I just want the retainers not to give me the useless items they find because I do not want to see it in my packed bag. This needs addressing

I don't think I've insulted anyone in this thread once. Intentionally anyway.
suggesting I blindly support someone because I agree with some of what they say is silly. I have my own take and will voice it.
agreed: Currency as items is silly and should be changed.
disagree: your stance on ventures and dungeons is strange to me, why do you HAVE to keep the items you get from ventures and dungeons? Sell/dis them immediately and don't roll on items you don't want/have space for in dungeons (drop trash pots/items).

I get this is all severely inconvenient for you and yes, I agree a lot of it could use work.

my particular situation I have all my DOH classes at 60 and 2/3 DOL are at 70, Unless I'm crafting something in particular I only keep things that are time locked or difficult to get in HQ. Everything else I can send a retainer for or purchase from an NPC.
I agree recipes are crazy complicated , especially culinarian. I am not saying your position is wrong, just that there are ways to mitigate it currently, all involve time investments though, so yeah... I guess I am paying for item bloat in one way or another.

Don't think I'm against you just because I have a few counter-points, I would love these things to be fixed, otherwise I would just silently sit and deal.
my main point is that the problem isn't the availability of retainers, it's the items themselves and the underlying way the servers deal with inventory.

[Snow_Princess]

I get this is all severely inconvenient for you and yes, I agree a lot of it could use work....
(...)
I would love these things to be fixed, otherwise I would just silently sit and deal.
my main point is that the problem isn't the availability of retainers, it's the items themselves and the underlying way the servers deal with inventory.

If you want to see it changed, you truly are not countering the concept as a whole. We need as much support as we can to make this game a better place. Just because there are ways of dealing does not mean we should as paying customers. (I mean going to extremes, ofc everyone needs some responsibility in not hording items you would never use, at the same time SE should be removing little use items from the game anyway, since it takes up data on the MB and other things, so less items = less stress on the servers, and they keep saying servers are too stressed) Take this quote for example:

They're here because they give a ****. They want to love this game. They want to see it improve. Speaking up is the only thing they can do. When most people have problems with or get tired of this or any other game, do you know what they do? They leave without saying a word and never look back and that's not good for anyone. If the developers never think anything is wrong, how are they supposed to "fix" anything? And hey, it's probably safe to say nothing will come of this thread, but at least people can walk away knowing their was, at the very least, an attempt at a dialogue with SE.

The reason it was said you where implying insults, guess you can say you did it intentionally, was because you where basically saying this is fixed is paying 2 extra dollars a month and not a big deal, but I hope you see it is much more then that, at this point, like people having 8 and not having space. Then you got to consider another view on this and that is simply out of principle. Basically I never seen an announcement by SE explaining WHY we need to pay >SO MUCH< for retainers. (12 +15.99=27.99 sub) When they currency bloat our inventory and ask too much items to craft. Some items hover around 15? per synth, and there was math shown earlier what it would be like making all the yellow script gear from scratch. It is a bit extreme, as you are not going to have 270 stacks of 99 ores all at once to do it, but it was trying to show how much the game CAN REQUIRE item wise.

In the end, please note since SB, lack of inventory space greatly impacted how my friend played and level jobs. 50 > 60 for rdm and sam, using the 50 gear, then 60 gear her other jobs can share, then gave them their own glams and returning the original state of the ones she had for the others, then doing a single job 60>70 while sell sealing gear and repeat collecting them because she can't hold anything extra, and the cute 63 sets are the exception because it is glam gear. She is in danger of running out of space completely, blocking her from playing the game completely, and the reason she took out the renewal. If she can't play the game because of lack of space, then why pay to play? As an omnicrafter, she would also love to be able make more then she is able to, and lack of space right now is greatly resisting on what she can make, from holding glam gear and currencies for the retainers.

Take a look at deltascape for example of the latest currency bloat, 4 weeks to get a chest when that content was outdated in 2, why do this? or the Ixion Horn? If you are going to tell players they have more work to do to better use of their inventory, well guess what? SE does too, give and take, SE is not doing nothing and people had enough. All that money we paid for retainers could fund a better item management system.

In case you haven't been keeping up to date:

Q24. Please let us know if you’ve finalized the number of slots that will be added in the second Inventory and Armoury Chest expansion.

A24. Unless we change from the current method, we do not think we can add any more slots. There are other factors to consider, such as managing inventory through the upcoming app, so this will take a little more time. It would be difficult to implement it by 4.1, but it is not so far off.

Source

Also, something something customer feedback, something something issue doesn't concern you so other people's concern are invalid/unimportant.

Cut out retainers completely, give us a bank, time for change is now.

Final note from the person I am posting for:
If I am paying such a high amount to play this game, because of retainer cost, how much do I need to pay for inventory issues not exist? 30?40 a month? why can't they fix this from charging some people 27.99 a month? Even with my bundle discount and legacy I pay around $19.83 a month. Is there another MNO that costs this much + having inventory issues?

[NolLacnala]

why can't they fix this from charging some people 27.99 a month?

This is easy to answer, actually. Create a problem, then monetize the solution. Business 101.

[Alleo]

Funny thing with the WoW comparison: Even if its costs x amount of gold in WoW you can still buy this with ingame currency..while in FF14 you have to buy retainers for real life money if you want to keep certain glamour (since you cant send dungeon gear to alt character).

[Snow_Princess]

Here is a list I made on all the item problems that I can recall at the time trying to get sissy to post this:

Items that need to be removed (some of this is 1.0 lingering item bloat that has no purpose now)
Reason to do it by name, and not just say "all branches" for example, because I like to show people how bad the situation truly is.

Maple Branch
Arrowwood Branch
Lauan Branch
Willow Branch
Peach Branch
Cherry Branch
Ash Branch
Cedar Branch
Elm Branch
Yew Branch
Chestnut Branch
Walnut Branch
Pine Branch
Oak Branch
Spruce Branch
Supple Spruce Branch
Mahogany Branch
Teak Branch
Rosewood Branch
Ebony Branch
Dark chestnut Branch
Birch Branch
Camphorwood Branch
Beech Branch
Torreya Branch

All branches can be replaced by their log/lumber counterparts, not needed to have in the game

Obsidian
Wyvern Obsidian
Dragon Obsidian
Wyrm Obsidian

These can be replaced by ores/nuggets found at comparable levels


Icon problems (Too much items using the same icon, makes it hard to know what I have at a glance):
Water bottle icon:

Mineral Water
Distilled Water
Effervescent Water
Filtered Water
Seagrot Water
Xelphatol Spring Water
Dravanian Spring Water
Abalathian Spring Water
Gyr Abanian Mineral Water
Crescent Spring Water
Deepeye Tears

Ink can:

Enchanted Copper Ink
Enchanted Iron Ink
Enchanted Silver Ink
Enchanted Mythril Ink
Enchanted Electrum Ink
Enchanted Gold Ink
Enchanted Rose Gold Ink
Enchanted Platinum Ink
Enchanted Mythrite Ink
Enchanted Hardsilver Ink
Enchanted Aurum Regis Ink
Deep-red Enchanted Ink
Superior Deep-red Enchanted Ink
Deep-green Enchanted Ink
Superior Deep-green Enchanted Ink
Deep-blue Enchanted Ink
Superior Deep-blue Enchanted Ink
Enchanted Koppranickel Ink
Enchanted Durium Ink
Enchanted Palladium Ink

This turquoise ore icon:

Mythril Ore
Scheelite

All the raw rocks that use:


There is so meany items in this game that copy/cut icons and extra bloat I have given up on continuing... it is too much, even the forum thinks so:

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The text that you have entered is too long (2221 characters). Please shorten it to 1000 characters long. If servers can't handle all these useless items why have them? remove them from the game then!! too much items! Why do you have so much items in the game servers can't handle it?